this post was submitted on 07 Dec 2023
1464 points (99.3% liked)

News

23424 readers
4979 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] FlashMobOfOne 3 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Yeah, people keep saying things like this, and then just completely ignore that their view is led us down a 40-year path where our liberty and economic power has dwindled progressively with each passing election.

So no.

Your viable parties are shit. I'll vote better.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It would help if third parties would do something other than put a candidate up for President every 4 years, fail, and then disappear for the next 4 years. That's a waste of everyone's time, money, effort, and votes. Parties that do this should be looked on with suspicion.

Get people into city councils, school boards, and county comptroller. Work up to state level government. There is tons of good to be done at that level of government--in many ways, far more than the White House could ever do.

Greens, this is about you, specifically.

[–] FlashMobOfOne -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It would help if, when we give the White House and Congress to Democrats, they actually follow through on their promises.

But they never do.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Voters do not have a viable way of holding them to their promises, because letting Republicans win is unacceptable. A good third party would help that, but they're all busy trying to get into the White House and failing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Our viable parties are shit because our electoral system is shit.

The 100 year path of wishful thinking that single person who votes will suddenly change their behavior such that they won't vote strategically hasn't got us anywhere. Our electoral system needs reform. It is inherently biased to make 3rd parties fail every single time. The game is rigged for 2 parties and only 2 parties.

and then just completely ignore that their view is led

You're talking about a view different from mine.

[–] DrZoidbergYes 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

All you do by voting for a 3rd party in a FPTP election is take a vote away from the major party you are most closely aligned to. You may as well just not vote

[–] FlashMobOfOne -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Both parties rule as conservatives. Can't say I really align with either.

You're right though. I may just as well not vote, given that we always get conservative outcomes.

[–] DrZoidbergYes 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

As much as people are disenfranchised the two parties are not the same. One is conservative, and the other is trying to create a authoritarian theocracy.

[–] FlashMobOfOne -1 points 11 months ago

One is trying to create an authoritarian theocracy, and the other is collaborating in that effort either overtly or by inaction. They are functionally the same.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 1 points 11 months ago

our liberty and economic power has dwindled progressively with each passing election

That's as much a consequence of legalisms - Bush v Gore invalidating votes in swing states, Tom DeLay kicking off a big wave of legislative gerrymandering, candidates party-flipping starting in the White Flight of the 80s/90s (WV's governor flipped the day after the '17 election), the banning of earmarks in legislatures and the legalizing of unlimited campaign donations following Citizens United - as voting patterns.

So much power has been consolidated within the hands of party leadership and so much money has flown to affiliated party-loyal business interests that voting no longer shapes political behaviors. When Republicans can't win an HISD board seat, they turn to the governor to simply take over the entire board by fiat. When someone in the Democratic Primary attempts to unseat an incumbent, the party spends tens of millions to defend them. When a third party bid emerges, they're cut out of debates and excluded from news coverage save for the yellow journalism designed to dismiss you as a crank. (And, in fairness, there are tons of cranks in the 3rd party scene already).

I don't think you can strictly attribute this to "not enough 3rd party bids". We have consolidated political power in the same way we're consolidating economic power.

[–] EatYouWell -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Then you might as well not vote. This is not the right political climate to try to make 3rd parties viable.

Unless, of course, you want the country to become a fascist theocracy.

[–] FlashMobOfOne -3 points 11 months ago

I literally only voted Biden because I thought it might help stop fascism.

He couldn't find five minutes in his busy schedule of shoveling more of our money into other countries' wars to be bothered with it.