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[–] [email protected] 51 points 7 months ago (4 children)

How the fuck does anyone even afford to buy a house now? Billionaires keep buying them all out just to rent them out, to buy more houses. It's almost as bad as me trying to use a hula hoop.

[–] just_change_it 33 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

It's not just billionaires buying up all the housing, it's anyone who can afford the investment. Real estate makes interest in value year over year with minimal upkeep costs AND it generates revenue every year from rentals. If you manage to secure permits to convert it to multifamily you instantly split your house into two parts with nearly the same individual value, almost doubling the value on the spot at the cost of adding a couple of walls and doors and maybe a kitchen.

Real Estate as a source of investment and revenue goes contrary to the idea of accessible housing for everybody. If it's a lucrative investment with greater low risk returns than any other low risk investment type, why would anyone take more risk?

My landlord is 45 and owns 4 properties with a total of about a dozen units. He bought a small business with the income and retired from his job at a defense contractor. His total wealth is under 10m and he started with probably little more than 50k ~25 years ago. Low interest loans have done wonderfully for anyone turning a small amount of cash into a big amount, assuming you bought in the right place with the intent to rent out to middle class workers.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

Not to mention REITs, or real estate investment trusts. Entire corporations dedicated solely to buying up property for share holders.

[–] Blackbeard 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yeah it's not necessarily billionaires, it's anyone old enough to have accumulated any meaningful amount of wealth that they were suddenly able to leverage into the housing market while interest rates were near zero. Couple that with the birth of services like airbnb that markedly simplified the process of securing rentals and rent, and you have a recipe for a bunch of upper-middle and upper class speculators who first wanted a vacation home, then wanted a retirement home, and then in the process realized how easy it was to turn a few cheap mortgages into a huge chunk of passive income.

[–] 7u5k3n 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Got a buddy on that exact same path.

  • Military Contractor
  • Started with "very little" money
  • Bought a rental here a rental there. Has like 10 now
  • Now he "works" for himself (read that as plays games on steam all day) and enjoys his passive income.

It's a bunch of shit that he's not taxed to below fiscal feasibility for his multiple single family homes.

[–] just_change_it 3 points 7 months ago

Make it so 50%+ of rent becomes equity and instantly housing becomes accessible to all. Can't rent without giving ownership to your tenants. Banks would get the lion's share of the income (it's their money anyway if you have a mortgage...) and owner occupied properties are still feasible.

No one's "value" would disappear either.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

Yes. Vicious circle for the plebeians and virtuous circle for the rich. The rich get richer, the poor (I'm including the middle class because it's not like the 60s, 70s, 80s) get poorer.

[–] givesomefucks 4 points 7 months ago

I got permanently injured in the military, so qualified for a mortgage with no down payment. Just the total amount on the mortgage.

It was still cheaper then renting anything close to a comparable house.

People always talk about interest rates, but down payments are the real barrier to entry

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

I had some lucky timing with an inheritance. Also two software engineer's salaries. Even then, it took a chunk out of our finances. We also got a bit lucky. The house was probably selling a little below its value and we got in right before the Fed really started pumping the brakes with interest rate increases.