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Do you not understand what he’s fighting for? No matter what you think about him the fact that other companies feel like they can gang up together to manipulate another company is concerning. Especially when it’s to enforce controlled speech.
I guess I don't understand what he is fighting for no. Twitter users are free to say whatever they want. Equally, companies are free to spend their dollars in any way they want. If Twitter and its users really want free and uncontrolled speech, they should move to a completely user-subsidised model with no ads. "Uncontrolled" or unmodderated speech isn't always brand safe content, so it seems valid advertisers wouldn't be keen to sponsor that. Maybe I'm missing something but that's how I see it.
If these companies really cared about the content they wouldn’t be posting their content on the platform. If they feel that it’s so bad they need to completely leave the platform. Like he side they’re trying to blackmail him into getting their way. It’s one thing if one or two companies/people leave because of their beliefs and it’s another thing when people/companies are going out of their way to try and blackmail and manipulate X to do what they want. X is already following the law and removing illegal content, what they really want is X to censor people they don’t like and/or agree with.
I'm not sure if they're really blackmailing him or just noticing how shitty the platform is becoming. Almost every decision made by Musk has made the platform worse.
The decision to remove one sided enforcement of policies?
Sure, if you want to close your eyes, be oversimplistic and it fits your worldview.
I’m not trying to be rude or close minded here but before Elon Musk, Twitter was a left lining platform, and there was blatant proof of right wingers being banned or censored on the platform. Before he even took off for the platform, a lot of people are gunning for him, and for the company to fail under him simply because he wanted to make it open for everyone. I don’t agree with all of his decisions, but considering the circumstances that he was in when he took over the company I don’t see what else prove my point, there was even leaked documents, showing FBI involvement and censor in American people which is a first amendment violation.
I don't think most people are gunning for Elon for "Making it open for everyone", they're gunning for him because he makes shitty decisions and has been fucking up the platform, and if you add to that that there has allegedly been more posts for racism, then it's easy to see why companies don't want to have ads on Twitter.
Personally, I just want to see xwitter and Musk go under completely. So, the less advertising he gets, the more his personal money has to go into propping up that ridiculous platform. It's gonna be really funny to watch. So far his dethroning as some kind of "genius" has been very entertaining. It's amazing how quickly a person's true lack of talent comes out when they actually have to put in some amount of work rather than just writing checks and cashing in on other people's hard work.
Well I don’t think he’s that much of a genius he’s just someone with a lot of money, which he was smart enough to make, who’s witnessed the one sided enforcement of policies on a platform that has a big influence on the country and the world.
Smart enough to be born an African emerald heir.
Being born with money doesn’t mean your good with money far more often kids who inherited their money do worse than those who are self man.
Sure, but even more often than that poor people stay poor. You mostly only get richer if you were rich before.
Yes life isn’t far and people get different lots in life but in the case of Elon he’s done something with what he was given and you have poor people who used their lot and hardship to make something of themselves. Wealth doesn’t start out of thin air someone had to be the first and someone competent had to carry on the torch.
You really have absolutely no idea about factual history, do you? Another failing of the public school system...
I don't know. This sounds like the propaganda they feed rich, private school kids.
Elaborate, there is nothing wrong in what I’m saying it’s the American dream. It’s why so many people fight to get into America and you don’t see many people leave.
I stand corrected. It's not just a failing of the public school system. You've completely dissociated from reality.
What’s there to say at this point other then just to say we can agree to disagree.
Don’t give a fuck about Nazis free speach
Sunlight is the best sanitizer. I rather their speech be out there for the world to see, so that I know who to avoid and for the ones that are misinformed for the broader public to put the on the right path.
Yeah, but I don't want my product associated with that speech. You can't force me to put my product on a pro nazi platform. Add to that the algorithm pushing nazi propaganda on Twitter, then no public company with a duty to the shareholders should advertise on Twitter.
Bro you sound like a loony.
There's groups of stupid racists who idolize the Nazis, yes. To say a company Musk has owned for what..2 years? Is a 'pro Nazi platform' and Twitter pushes 'Nazi Propaganda' is madness.
This is the self fulfilling prophecy where you're so angry at the world and think so many things are wrong, you can't stop talking, searching and watching about fucking Nazis, a dead group from nearing 100 years ago and then you see more Nazi shit and you come on here spewing it.
Jeeeez, the world's going down the fucking toilet.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/05/business/nightcap-twitter-neo-nazi/index.html
They literally brought back the daily stormer.
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
A group of fuckwits posting nazi shit. That website calls them 'literal Nazis'. I think a literal Nazi is a white European from the 30s and 40s who were either soldiers or members of the political party.
These are racist fuckwits riding a dead band wagon, don't give them any air time.
No there were Nazis in Florida protesting Disney just recently . Are they time travelers? Nazi is an ideology not literally German soldiers from ww2.
What's the ideology of Nazis? White supremacy? Aryan race?
That's just racists. Nazis are a dead political party, you give these people far too much credit. Like a bunch of fuckwits turn up to Disney land with swastikas on signs and people act like it's the Blitzkrieg all over again.
How pro nazi do they have to get? I’d say even a bit pro Nazi is too much.
Well any Nazi sentiment is too much. I'm just saying don't glorify the cunts.
People do seem to be rather hysterical nowadays, don't they.
You wouldn’t be saying that if you were a jew
I might convert, but will probably never get around to it.
That was proven to be false information from Media Matters. They had to game the system to get advertising to show up beside nazi feeds. The average person using X isn’t going to see that besides ads and you as an individual using X can block content that you don’t want to see, what you don’t get to do is decide what other choose to and not the see.
It has not been proven to be false information. The only ones saying that are Xitter, Musk, and the right wing echo chambers. So, the only proof consists of Xitter saying they didn't do it, much like the toddler caught with chocolate on their face saying they didn't eat the chocolate.
Only thing I can say is we’ll see how it plays out in court I could be wrong, but at the end of the day we’re just bench sitters in all this
It doesn't matter if the average person will see it or not. What matters is that it can be seen, as shown and described by Medusa matters, at all. What part of that don't you get?
It’s impossible to fully prevent the issue so the only thing you can hope for is that must people don’t see this. These companies don’t really care it’s just some woke agenda that whey to be pushed/enforced and if you play ball they won’t care, Before Elon there was a bunch of CP on twitter that went unchecked and they didn’t care. So, why are they not pulling ads from Instagram and Facebook, both of which have people policing the platform, which arguably has smaller or more of the same things that they claim to have issue
Unless Twitter actively prevents people from seeing Musk's tweets, it's going be pretty hard to convince people that their content isn't showing up with antisemitic content lmao. Musk has, once more, gloriously fucked himself over. Who knows when he'll say something antisemitic again, and it'll be a recommended tweet since he made it?
The last time I checked if you don’t want to follow someone as an individual it’s within your right to block them. You don’t need a centralized company blocking something from everyone that you don’t like.
If you're an advertiser who doesn't want their content to appear next to antisemitic content, you kinda do need it to be blocked from everyone.
Are you serious or did I miss the /s?
Elaborate please.
You can stop simping for Daddy Musk any time now, he's not going to give you a reach-around.
If Twitter was a "left-leaning platform" before, it was because of the userbase, not the company. In fact, studies showed that the algorithm was more likely to bury posts from left-wing politicians/users and promote right-wing politicians/ideologies than the other way around. The reason right-wing people were being banned was for posting "right-wing opinions/values" - such as antisemitism, racism, homophobia, posting misinformation/lying about elections and other events, and a laundry list of other user policy breaking infractions. And even then, Twitter was often more lenient in what it allowed those kinds of people to get away with compared to other groups. I distinctly remember seeing people posting support for the genocide of trans people and how Twitter responded to reports of the comments violating their rules saying that they weren't violating any rules, while at the same time banning transgender users for publicly calling it out.
This kind of "freeze peach" complaining from the "enlightened centrists" has always stunk of right wingers with shitty opinions who don't want to face the consequences of having those opinions. Just like those politicians who complained about reality having a liberal bias. The First Amendment doesn't free you from the consequences of your words, nor does it cover all forms of speech. Under Fighting Words laws, threats of violence are legal grounds to act in self defense as if they were the actions themselves. If you threaten to punch someone in the face, don't be surprised when the court says that they were justified in breaking your nose. Your use of "woke agenda" - a propaganda slogan used by right-wingers to destroy the actual meaning of the word and instead mean "anybody doing something I don't like" - further down in the comments clearly shows where your political opinions actually fall.
And, no, we actually don't have to let bigots voice their opinions wherever they want. Not only because social media platforms are considered private property, meaning the owners can do whatever they want so long as it doesn't break the law, but because the free exchange of ideas isn't a carte blanche to spout hatred. The free exchange of ideas is a part of the social contract and more like a potluck supper than anything else. Just because Carol showed up with a piece of poop between two slices of bread and called it a sandwich doesn't mean we have to take a bite to know it's a piece of shit. People who break the social contract that keeps society running can't expect to be treated under the same rules themselves.
Plus, if you let the worst people in, they'll simply end up harassing and driving off everyone who isn't a part of their echo chamber. You only have to look at Trump's social network or any of the myriad of other "free speech absolutist" platforms that have sprung up over the years. Every single one of them has eventually devolved into an echo chamber of bigotry. As a wise bartender once said, "If you let one Nazi in, you no longer have a bar. You have a Nazi bar. Because it starts off with one who talks nicely, and then they bring a few friends who aren't as nice, who bring a few friends who are even worse, and before you know it, all the regular patrons are gone and they've started hanging Swastikas on the walls."
I understand market manipulation and antitrust for example Amazon has had many antitrust and market manipulation cases levied against them for their so called market competition.
Tis a Free Market BAYBEE