this post was submitted on 29 Nov 2023
228 points (93.2% liked)

politics

19151 readers
3802 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

Given the current state of partisan polarization, it’s unlikely Biden can get majority job approval next year even with the most fortunate set of circumstances. But the good news for him is that he probably doesn’t have to. Job-approval ratings are crucial indicators in a normal presidential reelection cycle that is basically a referendum on the incumbent’s record. Assuming Trump is the Republican nominee, 2024 will not be a normal reelection cycle for three reasons.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] givesomefucks 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Which is still an ignorant take, because we’ve only got two realistic options. Bad and worse.

The solution isn't "shut up and be grateful we're not worse". It's actually running someone that's good.

We've tried the "shut up you don't have a choice" strategy and that just keeps ending up with republicans in office.

Why not just run good candidates that want to help America if they get in office?

[–] MegaUltraChicken 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You push the Democratic Party candidate to the left. Supporting Republicans (which is what you're doing if you don't vote for Joe Biden, full stop) isn't going to help anyone and won't get you better candidates in the future. It will literally have the opposite effect. There's a great batch of possible candidates for 2028 (Witmer, Shapiro, Newsome, etc). Sure I'd prefer them over Biden for 2024 but they're not running.

[–] givesomefucks 6 points 1 year ago

Supporting Republicans (which is what you’re doing if you don’t vote for Joe Biden, full stop)

"Vote red no matter who, because Dems are worse" is how trump became the face of the Republican party...

If the Dem party's only standard is "there's a D next to their name" we'll gonna keep getting shitty candidates that lose half the elections to republicans. And even when they do win, nothing gets fixed.

Normally I'd push for primary participation and then begrudgingly voting for the winner of the primary.

But we don't even get a primary because a private organization controls that, and they decided we don't get one.

Will I still vote for Joe?

Sure, I've voted for every single shitty D candidate in the general since I turned 18. But telling people to just shut up and stop complaining about how fucked it is won't fix anything. Hasn't for decades.

And pretending that shitty milk toast candidates don't depress turnout and give Republicans a chance, is like asking why poor people don't just make more money. But you're not going to reach that 1/3 of eligible voters on a political sub on a fringe social media website

The absolute easiest way to get them to vote, is run a good candidate.

So how about you spend your effort communicating that to the Democratic party? That might actually accomplish something....

Although, they're probably just say "shut up and vote for me, at least I'm not a Republican".

[–] chakan2 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why not just run good candidates that want to help America if they get in office?

Because that doesn't make nearly as much ~~money~~ donations as "Look at how awful the Republicans are."

If the D's ran a real candidate that actually cared about the country, they'd get blasted in fund raising...People like Booker would go broke overnight if we got universal healthcare. Pelosi would lose her ass if we outlawed congressional trading.

We're fucked...irrevocably completely and utterly fucked.

[–] givesomefucks 6 points 1 year ago

If the D’s ran a real candidate that actually cared about the country, they’d get blasted in fund raising

Not really, Bernie and even trump made enough off "small" donations to run effective campaigns.

The difference is small donations from voters don't come with all the perks and kickbacks as the same amount from a single PAC/billionaire/organization.

And as long as the bare minimum is having a D next to your name, grifters are going to run with the D, and get those huge donations because the people making them expect a return.

So yeah...

People like Booker would go broke overnight if we got universal healthcare. Pelosi would lose her ass if we outlawed congressional trading.

Those are two great examples of politicians that need to be replaced, and why our standards need to be more than a single letter.