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Nope, not true. Capitalism in its base is just the fact you are free to exchange with others.
Businesses should not be allowed human rights. And especially not to influence politics (even if through third and such parties like lobbyists and superpacs)
That's not what capitalism is. People have been exchanging things long before the 1600s. Capitalism is about allowing private interests to own a state's productive capacity for the purposes of profit.
Hahahahahahahahaha no.
Hahahahahahahaha yes.
The word government isn't even in that entire article. Maybe quote a specific part instead of idiotically linking a main Wikipedia page...?
Okay, allow me to copy/paste the relevant section, the first sentence.
Meaning individuals (aka private interests) own and control the means of production with the goal of generating profit, rather than they be publicly controlled, which is to say controlled by the government.
Controlled by the government part is added by you with no source. Typical American basement dwelling commie
https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803100353611
There's your source. That makes two versus your zero? Surely you know what you're talking about.
Dude quoting general things doenst make your point... At all... Nor does downvoting me..
Brother, you asked me to source the definition of public ownership so I got you a literal dictionary definition of it. And for the record, I haven't downvoted any of your comments, not even the ones I found irritating.
I did not ever ask that. Please refrain from putting words into my mouth. What are you, a tankie?
Okay, maybe you didn't ask for it, precisely. But you seemed to be bothered that I didn't provide one, so I did.
You seem to be in your feelings about all this, though.
I left Europe 14 years ago because it wasn't nice anymore in my home town. Sorry for you guys but if you live in the USA you shouldn't think you know everything about Europe...
I don't think I've made any specific claims about Europe in our discussion. I don't live in the USA, I live in Canada, but either way I would never claim to know everything about Europe because I don't.
Polite USA = still same shit
Whatever, dude. Have a lovely day.
Same to you dude! Hope you never have to emigrate your home town because it becomes unliveable thanks to Moroccan welfare receiving cocaïne dealers/pimps (and their clients) trying to rob you! Although I'm happy here in Ecuador for 14 years now!
You are conflating commerce with capitalism. They aren't the same things.
F u tanky moron. Extremists are always bad Left wing as much as extreme capitalism.
I'm not a tanky.
You're still conflating capitalism and commerce.
He called me a Tankie in another thread. He doesn't know what it means.
Fair enough.
I'm still laughing that pinkdrunkard thought you were a conservative shill.
I'm actually a little upset he called you a tankie before he called me a tankie. If he's gonna call anyone a tankie it should be me. Am I not being radical enough?
You're just not tankie enough I guess.
They're right though. Freely trading goods and services is commerce, and an economy based on commerce is a market economy.
Capitalism is specifically a market economy where the means of production are owned privately by an investor class, who increase their wealth exclusively by "profit": a discrepancy between the value the workers in a company contribute, and the compensation paid to those workers (Price- Cost [including wages] = Profit).
There are non-capitalist market economy models. Like market socialism, in which economic production is still generated by private companies in a free market, but those companies are owned by the workers themselves rather than by non-employee shareholders.
You're wrong, and you don't know you're wrong.
If you care at all that you might be wrong, you would read David Graeber's "Debt: The First 5,000 Years" and learn more about this.
But you won't, because this is the Internet.
My take away from that book is that we should fight the oligarchy to demand the re establishment of a Jubilee.