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[–] Soleos 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You do distinguish "self-identifying feminists" individuals who are "pushing back" from the ideology of feminism which is a worthwhile distinction. Because even with a boilerplate feminism 101 ideology around dismantling the patriarchy (and oppressive gender norms) recognizes it harms men as well, and advocates for a full appreciation and humanization of both men and women (and others) as complex sentient and emotional beings (see, equality). The first time I encountered anything about creating space for men to express emotions 15 years ago was through feminists. There's an entire field of men's health focused on mental health and dealing with masculinities in health contexts that were built on understandings of gender pioneered by feminist/critical academia. The people "pushing back" against such emotional space and empathy are advocating for things more aligned with misandry rather than feminism.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Yes, I agree; I don't think that the people that have given me shit are actually living what they claim to believe. (...Which could also be hypocrisy.) I agree with the primary goals of feminism, if that primary goal is the dismantling of gendered power structures and gender norms so that people can be who they are rather than artificially--and negatively-constrained. OTOH, there are plenty of self-identified feminists that make broad generalizations about negative behavior, and apply that generalization to all men; I don't think that's helpful, unless your goal is to drive away potential allies such that you can feel justified in your rage.