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[–] FuglyDuck 68 points 1 year ago (6 children)

To be fair, i don't think Israel is going to do a cease fire even if we yeet all the aid and support we promised them. Netty has been wanting this fight for... ages.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not too sure on that, US has many ways to force cease fires as good as starting coups.

I think if we had a president and congress that wanted it done, it would be done.

[–] FuglyDuck 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

if we had a president and congress that wanted it done, Israel wouldn't have felt comfortable doing it in the first place, really. I'm just saying at this point, I don't think there's a lot we can do. and as for starting a coup... that has never worked out well for the US.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Au contraire, I saw bananas on sale the other day for just 59 cents.

[–] NOT_RICK 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Considering how well those coups worked out, I’d really like for that sad chapter of US history to stay history, as much as I despise Bibi’s reactionary government.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Someone remind me when the next election is for Israel.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, if we yeet all the aid we send them, at least we won't be facilitating a genocide in as many ways.

That's a start and a step worth taking.

[–] FuglyDuck 14 points 1 year ago

Keep in mind, part of the reason we’ve given all this aid to Israel, historically, is precisely for that leverage it gives us.

People are rolling in their graves that we’re not using it.

[–] constate368 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let's stop all aid to Israel and go from there.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In all honesty, if this wasn't serving as a proxy war that might have been possible, but I think with China, Iran, and Russia squaring up to support Palestine there's no way we're going to cut off Israel. From a big picture perspective Israel is the only real ally the US or western powers have in the middle east and even if we dumped them for the crimes they commit it would ultimately hurt the US and western powers to abandon or sanction them.

I saw an article saying that Belgium is considering sanctions against Israel, but Belgium is also a NATO country and only has 24k active troops with an additional 6k in reserves. In 2022 Belgium had the third lowest % GDP military investment out of the NATO countries.

Whether we like it or not the big players in the game aren't looking at the atrocities Israel commits in Gaza, they're looking at whether they will have a foothold and ally in the middle east if we have a World War.

We as individuals can take a stance on the conflict without considering the geopolitical outcomes, but to be able to do so we should admit that we are in a place of privilege. I imagine that if news came out that Ukraine blew up a school Poland still would still support Ukraine, because they're right next door.

At the same time, countries which don't meaningfully contribute to their own defense should recognize their privilege when it comes to the world stage.

EDIT: Had accidentally called Ukraine Russia, fixed now.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ok but I'd really like to see our government try to make demands or ultimatums

[–] FuglyDuck 14 points 1 year ago

Agreed.

Just because a thing is hard doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be done. I’m just a realist. They won’t stop until the hardliners on both sides are gone.

[–] ALavaPulsar 10 points 1 year ago

Stopping the aid might not stop him but heavy sanctions definitely would.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

And even if he didn't want the fight, a ceasefire now would destroy his coalition, being down the government , remove him from power, and probably end up with him personally in prison from the outstanding corruption allegations