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[–] Sanctus 45 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Honestly, I think its good to apply this pressure in the moment. This is the people showing some of way they can do. Regardless of the outcome later. I really don't think what they're saying is they'll vote for Trump. But they have to apply pressure somehow.

[–] Zippit 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Exactly. The Biden administration still has time to get things right. But after the last few weeks, I honestly think they don't have any pull on Netanyahu. So he'll suffer the consequences if he doesn't do something else. He has enough options.

Also the only thing Americans can do right now, is to mobilize the same count of people that are dropping out right now. I mean, there's pro and anti Palestine right? Right?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I honestly think they don’t have any pull on Netanyahu

They have some pull, but politically Netanyahu is a dead man walking. The problem is that it's arguably not in the US interest if Israel holds elections now. Someone like Ben-Gvir would become even more influential.

A reminder:

Itamar Ben-Gvir ... is an Israeli lawyer and far-right politician who serves as the Minister of National Security. ... Ben-Gvir, a settler in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, has faced charges of hate speech against Arabs and was known to have a portrait in his living room of Israeli-American terrorist Baruch Goldstein, who massacred 29 Palestinian Muslim worshipers and wounded 125 others in Hebron, in the 1994 Cave of the Patriarchs massacre. ... He was also previously convicted of supporting a terrorist group known as Kach, which espoused Kahanism, an extremist religious Zionist ideology. ... Under his leadership, the Otzma Yehudit (Jewish Power), a party which espouses Kahanism and anti-Arabism, won six seats in the 2022 Israeli legislative election ... He has called for the expulsion of Arab citizens of Israel who are not loyal to Israel. Ben Gvir is "widely known for his openly racist, anti-Arab views and activities" ... led several visits to the Temple Mount as activist and member of Knesset, contentious marches through Jerusalem's Old City Muslim Quarter, and set up an office in the Sheikh Jarrah neighborhood which witnessed several evictions of Palestinians. On 3 January 2023, he visited the Temple Mount where the al-Aqsa Mosque is located, spurring an international wave of criticism that labelled his visit purposely provocative. As a lawyer, he is known for defending Jewish radicals and terrorists on trial in Israel. ... Prior to entering politics, he defended Jews spitting at Christians as a "an ancient Jewish custom". ... Ben-Gvir is married to Ayala Nimrodi... The couple has five children, and they live in the Israeli settlement of Kiryat Arba/Hebron, which is deemed illegal under international law, in the Israeli-occupied West Bank.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Gvir

[–] Zippit 1 points 10 months ago

Thanks for that, I've heard of him but not in so much detail.