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IDF soldiers film themselves abusing, humiliating West Bank Palestinians
(www.timesofisrael.com)
this post was submitted on 03 Nov 2023
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Look for "Abu Ghraib pictures" and you'll find them.
Also, here - https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_prisoner_abuse
It doesn't make it right, but those were mistreated POWs who arguably didn't have Geneva protections.
These are apparently random civilians.
Torture is torture, no matter if those in Iraq were civilians, guerilleros, militias or regular armed forces. It does not change a thing about the crime.
I think this is correct.
Torture is dehumanization.
If you're willing to torture a terrorist, or even a serial killer or something, then you have it in your nature to torture anyone for any reason.
Like people who abuse animals. It's engaging in and cultivating a very dark part of a person's nature, which can manifest in many different ways.
If you want to pretend it's not worse to torture random civilians out of pure spite than militants that's on you I guess.
Makes no difference. If torturing enemy combatants was acceptable, there would be no Geneva conventions. The moment they are captured and seize to actively take part in the conflict, they are protected from further harm.
So you believe that a single murder is just as evil as a genocide? That there is not a scale to evil?
That all crimes should result in the same sentence?
Because that is what you are arguing, that all evil is the same, and equally contemptible, with no shades of guilt or nuance.
I disagree, and I don't think you actually believe that either.
Nobody is arguing that it is more or less evil. The militant POW may face their own trials after the war, where a punishment is decided. But while they are a POW, they are unable to cause any damages. So they are also not allowed to be tortured.
You will find that the actual laws of the Geneva Conventions only protect signatories and those that agreed to abide by the rules, which Hamas and any terrorist organization by definition does not. Rather specifically does not.
But, as mentioned, irrelevant to the civilians in question as they are protected.
Random terrorists, though? Legally they can be shot and dumped in the nearest ditch.
Of course, legality is not morality.
Where did "single murder" and "genocide" come from anyway?
When they argued there isn't a difference between torturing random civilians for fun and humiliating (suspected) terrorists.
Lynch mobs are outlawed for a reason.
Ah, so that was just humiliation! I was not aware that that was what they were actually doing with the dogs and electric wires.
Some of those prisoners were not militants, just random civilians. Turned in by thier neighbors for a quick buck, is what happened.
Even I, who think the Palestinian leadership is full of shit and has been full of shit since before 1948, and think that using meat shields to protect military assets is the war crime, and that the civilian deaths that are occurring in the destruction of said tunnels are the foreseeable consequences of the aforementioned war crime, WILDLY AND ADAMANTLY DISAGREE WITH YOU. What my government did in Gitmo, The fact that there was a prison at all at Gitmo, is a shitstain on American honor. What these individuals in the IDF are doing, or are allowing fucking nut bag whacko settlers to do, is a shit stain on the reputation of Israel.
Didn't say it wasn't.
I said there's a difference between that and torturing random civilians for kicks.
All pow's are protected under the conventions...
That's why they created the "enemy combatant" nonsense, so they could "legally" torture people.
would this be after we decided that every male over the age of 12 was an enemy combatant regardless of their actions?
If you've got a picture of a twelve year old in Abu Ghraib, feel free to share.
Or don't, because, you know.