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I never even implied it was great. Reality is often not great. It's still reality and the reality is it's going to be either Trump or Biden barring Trump not being allowed on ballots. So they only have two choices and not voting for Biden is a vote for Trump. That sucks, but that's just how it is going to work in 2024. Nothing is going to change in terms of U.S. elections over the next year and to expect that is a folly.
The reality is that American Muslims are not going to like who is president regardless. I hope they think about who is less likely to oppress them and that isn't Trump.
It's great for the politicians who think they are in a position to demand unconditional fealty, and the people who matter to them. If the party doesn't want people to act like they're being taken advantage of, the party just has to stop taking advantage of people.
People who have never been betrayed by the party they vote for sure love to lecture people who have.
Excuse me, but you don't know a fucking thing about me. As a disabled person, the Democratic Party betrayed me by not implementing single payer healthcare. You know what's worse? Anything Trump has in mind. So no, I don't like Democrats. I vote for them because the worst Democrat is better than the best Republican and those are the only two valid options right now.
Wasn't talking about you. Were you lecturing me?
You were talking to me. Sure seemed like you were talking about me. And I can't know what someone else on the internet would consider a lecture, but it considering I've been told I was lecturing by writing a paragraph, I could very well have been lecturing you from your perspective.
Well then, I'm sorry your party betrayed you. I'm sorry they betrayed me, too.
It recently betrayed people who will withhold their votes because of that betrayal. I'm sorry it betrayed them too.
What do you suppose they thought was gonna happen if they kept betraying people? That everyone would be as willing to stick with people who betray them as you and I are?
The party is playing its voters for suckers, and never once imagined that this might make people less willing to participate in a system like that.
And if they are less willing to participate, Trump gets in. And it gets worse for them. So, as I said, not voting or voting for Trump is not going to help them. Feeling betrayed won't change the fact that there are only two options and one is inherently worse than the other.
Ok. Now that you've said the thing to someone who is already gonna vote the way you want, we're still where we started.
No amount of wagging your finger at me is gonna change the political reality I described. The party betrayed them, and the party lost their votes.
Treating your constituents like hostages isn't consequence-free.
Scolding me about it isn't gonna change their minds, but I get the feeling that you're gonna do it again anyway.
What the ever-living fuck? Your first comment to me was scolding and you haven't stopped scolding me since. Would you like me to quote you?
My god, the hypocrisy of that.
Oh, I thought my first comment to you was expecting you to run the entire Democratic Party because you knew that speculation was going to result in answers you didn't want to say.
Guess you stopped pretending.
I never said you expected me to run the entire Democratic Party. Why are you lying now?
EDIT: Proof you're lying-
Doesn't sound like a response to scolding to me.
Here- I'll even expand it to show your lie in greater detail.
Please triple and quadruple down. That should be rich.
That wasn't a lie. As your screenshot clearly shows, I asked questions that you didn't want to answer, so instead you freaked out and pretended that I was acting like you control the party.
Now, what part of my comment was scolding? Because that was a massive lie on your part.
No, you asked me questions I couldn't answer. I didn't freak out or pretend anything. Those are lies. The screenshots prove they are lies.
As far as scolding, here's just one example:
Of course, once you found out I was disabled, you claimed you weren't talking about me, which is clearly nonsense.
Now, unless you are going to admit you lied, I think I can safely block you and move on to scolding other people for choosing to vote the way they feel is the best way to vote.
Except with speculation. But you and I both know the answer to my questions because not only have Democrats done it before when Clinton lost to Trump, they do it every time some group they've alienated and betrayed doesn't turn out for them.
That's not the very first thing I said to you, as you claimed. And there's no scolding in that comment. I wasn't telling you to do anything any different from what you were doing. But I will now: Don't expect to be able to nag people into voting for people who betray them. It doesn't work in all cases, no matter how many times apologists redouble their efforts. Particularly if the people you're being self-righteous at aren't even the people who are withholding their votes.
The only thing you've accomplished in this entire thread is patting yourself on the back for sticking with a party that betrayed us both. That won't get any votes to return. We're right back where we started. The same people who are withholding their votes are still withholding their votes. That hasn't changed. Lectures work on me, but not them. How do you suppose we should get them back? What should we advocate for the party to do? Any ideas? Mine involve the party changing its ways and treating people whose votes it needs like it needs their votes, but that won't happen.
Consider this: during the Trump years, Democrats opposed Trump's bigoted actions against Muslims. During the Biden administration, Democrats are supporting the nation that's bombing refugee camps. Those who came here as refugees might take that not only as an indicator that they were used for political utility and then tossed aside when it became expedient to do so, but also as an indicator that the only way to get either party on their side is to have Republicans in office. That's not a great place for the Democratic party to be.
Or don't consider it. And move on to scolding other people for choosing to vote contrary to your sense of entitlement.
As I showed in my edit where I pasted it, that is expressly not saying you expected me to run the party. I'm not sure why you're doubling down on your lie.
So, what part of that was scolding?
Gaslight even harder. It's all centrists do.
I'm a fucking socialist. Stop lying.
You know, fuck this. I have no respect for people who pretend they know what I believe politically. Especially ableists like you. Blocked.
If you say so.