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Everyone keeps repeating that defederation should be a last resort. Fine, but we should also acknowledge that the list of resorts is very short:
Server admins talk to the admins of the server hosting the offending community, in an attempt to get them to clean their house. If they don't;
Defederate.
There really isn't anything else for server operators to do that isn't just letting the offending community continue unabated.
Offloading the responsibility to individual users to block users / communities is lazy. Most of us don't want to spend our limited time playing whack-a-mole.
I suspect we'll see user accounts shuffling around so that they land on a home server whose defederation policy matches their preferences.
I think instance owners need to be able to block specific communities in other instances instance-wide.
So, if lemmy.ml wants to block c/the Donald!sh.itjust.works they should be able to block that community for all users of lemmy.ml, but not the rest of the sh.itjust works instance.
Best of both worlds IMO
You're probably right that blocking a single community should probably be an option.
That said, if an instance is willing to allow hateful communities like TD, I expect their comment sections will be more toxic than other instances. I like the idea of defederating from instances that allow hateful communities.
its 3 people
suggesting that shitjustworks is bound to be more toxic because the modteam didnt immediately ban a shitposting community consisting of 3 people is ridiculous
I wasn't talking about this one specific instance really. I was using it as an example while talking about the tools needed for managing federation and what a user sees.
nothing about 'if an instance is willing to allow hateful communities like TD, I expect their comment sections will be more toxic' or 'i like the idea of defederating from instances that allow hateful communities' indicated that you werent actually talking about the instance currently under fire for supposedly (but not actually) allowing hateful communities like TD
Maybe you're right. I wasn't very clear. I intended to use the TD subreddit as an example of a toxic community. I didn't mean to imply that everyone should immediately defederate form an instance that hosts a community named TD, even if that community has done nothing problematic yet. I meant to say that, if an instance does become host to a toxic community and does nothing to moderate it or remove it, that might be a good reason to defederate with them. Toxicity in one community on an instance will spill into others.
Maybe that will lead to even more segregated echo Chambers, though. Maybe that can become a different problem.
That said, the name the_donald has a bad history and I'm glad that the community was removed. IMO, that name has become synonymous with a toxic community.
To be fair I've been reading a lot of hateful comments about reddit CEO and certain billionaires during the past few days so I'd say that our stance on such content is a bit hypocritical.
"Go see the titanic" meme is a good example
Are you seeing angry comments about /u/spez or hateful comments? While I can understand and condone angry comments I would hope that hateful or threatening comments are being moderated appropriately.
I guess I don't see "go see the titanic" memes as "hateful" given that they're coming from a acute sense of betrayal rather than something like racism or nationalism. That's probably because I'm angry too and see some of the distasteful comments and memes as somewhat justified in this case. I don't post shit like that but I don't see it as the same as the hate speech that used to come from /r/the_donald.
this is already an option, as shitjustworks pointed out in the update post
It's not about ignoring them or not having to see the content. It's about not providing them a platform.
They would seep into other communities