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[–] sebinspace 63 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Great, now jump seats are fucken ruined

[–] Buddahriffic 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd think that in the majority of emergency situations, having an extra person who knows what's going on in the cockpit would be more of a benefit than a risk. Especially given that one of the actual fight crew could decide to go all murder suicide on their flight, and unless the odds of any pilot doing this is greater than 50%, the more people in the cockpit, the more people to fight the bad ones off and take control of the plane and monitor things that would need monitoring in the event that someone successfully disables the engines.

[–] Dultas 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Majority, probably not. Most emergency checklists are going to assume the cockpit crew is the normal count and throwing an extra person is is going to cause more harm than good. The only exception I can think of is UA Flight 232 which while tragic probably would have been worse without someone else in the cockpit.

[–] Buddahriffic 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I should have said, "the cases when the extra person is a benefit are probably more common than the cases where the extra person attempts to murder the crew and/or crash the plane".

[–] EmpathicVagrant 5 points 1 year ago

This was how I read your previous comment.

[–] derf82 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I doubt it. Aviation would grind to a halt is pilots and flight attendants can’t commute in jump seats. Besides, this guy was a captain. He could have done the same thing as a pilot, much like the Germanwings flight several years ago.

[–] Tangent5280 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Grind to a halt? Can't they just reserve one seat in premium economy or wherever is closest to the cockpit for jump passengers?

[–] derf82 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That would cost airlines a ton and raise airfare for everyone. As it is the jumpseats are only used when the aircraft if full.

And all for what, pulling someone that will just be in a cockpit later in the day or the next day?

[–] Tangent5280 1 points 1 year ago

Ah, your second point makes sense. Can't keep someone that's in a jumpseat out of the cockpit for long.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

But what about their profits?!

[–] partial_accumen 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not so sure about that. The only thing more important that security to airline companies is "money". Having to charter flights or wait for availability of their own flights to move staff around would be CRAZY expensive. I have full faith that airlines will look the other way on this one to avoid that cost to the companies.

[–] SheeEttin 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe they'll just start putting them in cabin seats like the rest of us.

[–] partial_accumen 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They already do that. However, if all the passenger seats are full (which isn't uncommon) there is usually at least 1 but sometimes multiple jump seats on aircraft that allow airlines to move around pilots and other crew members to different airports. Airlines usually let other airlines fly their competitors staff because they also reciprocate when they need it.

Restricting the crew seats to just unsold passenger seats will likely have a huge impact to operations and ALL the different airlines' bottom lines.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They could just not sell every single seat in the main cabin.

[–] partial_accumen 1 points 1 year ago

They could just not sell every single seat in the main cabin.

I'll go back to my first point: The only thing more important that security to airline companies is “money”.

Your suggestion is that the airlines lose money on sale of seats because they're keeping some seats empty on every flight on the off chance the airline (or one of their competitor airlines) needs to get a pilot or flight crew member to another airport. That would lose the airlines money. They wont' do that.