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$1400 for a non upgradable SSD and RAM, not to mention there are no USB, HDMI or audio jacks. What a ripoff.
Or you can get like 2 good thinkpads
Or 1000+ bananas
Bought an old second hand p50 recently, and it still far outperforms most modern laptops by a mile, battery lasts 4 or 5 hours on integrated graphics (probably quite a bit less on discrete but haven't really tested that yet)
Plus I can buy a second battery and just swap them out when one runs out
My old Lenovo yoga cost more than the p50 and couldn't hold a candle
Came with 32gb memory, 4k display, discrete gpu and an nvme which all help considerably, the CPU generally sits around 1-8% during normal usage (on Linux that is)
Can quite happily code on this thing, my previous laptop could barely run an ide
Obviously there are more powerful laptops but considering I got it for ~£500 and even second hand modern laptops go for ~1000 with less memory and no GPU I think it competes very nicely
Light ThinkPads are not cheap either
Todays ThinPads are not superior. Some things are:
or a Starbook
which has coreboot, repair guides, and a very generous warranty
Ugh, can you order it without a fingerprint reader built into the trackpad?
These are cool. I love the concept.
I recommended my father get one after his current laptop's speakers blew out. He didn't want to wait for Q4, so we went with my 2nd recommendation, a ThinkPad.
The first two were defective (the whole model line is - overheating to scalding temps, not going to sleep when the lid is closed, not sleeping/infinite loop when manually told to sleep or by the OS idle time), the third (different model) arrived without a fucking w11pro product key. Are you actually fucking shitting me. Their solution for that was either a new machine (custom machine, almost 4 weeks lead time) or a new mobo. I figured they would put the key in the board, and we didn't want another 4 week wait, so I went with the board swap. Guess who didn't enter a key into the bios? The tech didn't have one, was just told to swap boards.
We are expecting a framework in Q1 now.
Even apple's most io-limited macbook ever had a headphone jack. Dell is really trying to outperform them.
Project Sputnik didn't start yesterday. It started in 2013 and Dell XPS was much different back then.
Dell love pretending they're the Apple of the Windows/Linux world, except the issue is that for one, people specifically bought their stuff for the things you mentioned, and that the build quality was not exclusively just black plastic. The current XPS is everything that people hated about the "Macbook" from almost a decade ago. The one with the first butterfly switches
Yeah, I don't get it. What am I gonna do with 2 USBC ports? What if the ssd dies? Nah, I'd rather get a framework
The framework is cheaper when comparably equipped. It's not even any thicker or heavier despite everything being replaceable. Dell just wants to make you pay a huge repair fee when the SSD fails.
Oh no, I see the mistake, just let me
there we go
Is it supposed to be submersible? WTF no jacks or ports?
Non upgradable SSD & RAM?
So Dell is trying to out-stupid Apple. Maybe they'll come out with their own maps.
linux users when a laptop that ships Linux isn't absolutely perfect and cost $20 (they don't care that it helps get linux to average users)
Soldered SSD and RAM is something we expect from a cheap chromebook. It's just not acceptable in a high end laptop.
There are plenty of other good laptops that come with Linux installed.
including, *checks notes*, ah yes... most of DELL's other offerings with linux pre-installed
Which give you no option to forgo the Windows license.
Is it something that depends on the region? In Brazil their Linux offerings are usually way cheaper precisely because you can forgo the Windows license.
We are pretty happy with framework, tuxedo and system76 even if their products often cost loads of money and for sure aren't perfect.
and yet people still find ways to complain when a manufacturer that is twice as big as all of these examples combined ships laptops with linux to the hands of millions of people, most of the time costing less than offerings by these companies