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Executive order bans gender-neutral language in Arkansas government documents
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this post was submitted on 22 Oct 2023
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When does the Bible use gender-neutral language?
The 10 Commandments, iirc.
Do ya'll think you're being clever when you say this?
Nobody has an issue with using 'they.' The problem comes from those who want to force others to use 'they' instead of 'he or she.' It's not about referring to a group of people or someone of unknown sex. It's about a vocal minority getting really upset at statements like 'only women can be pregnant.'
That would be the majority, and they're not getting upset. They're just choosing to use the language they want to use rather than letting others force them to use it.
None of your problems in life are the result of a person you know (or even a person you don't know) wanting to be referred to as 'they.'
NONE.
Okay.
I believe you have "who is doing the forcing" backwards here.
Amd now it becomes clear that "choice" isn't what you actually care about.
Nah. They're allowed to use whatever language they want.
If you have a problem with that, then you're the one doing the 'forcing.'
Something tells me you think "pregnant person" is okay but "pregnant woman" is not. I, personally, don't really care and think they can use whatever language they want.
Is it clear that I care about choice, now? What about you?
How about you just have respect for people other than yourself and call others how they ask to be called?
Because not everyone believes that men and women should be referred to by whatever pronouns they choose.
Because some people are disrespectful assholes?
I think it's more beliefs and culture.
So what? Doesn't affect you in any way to treat others with respect. If you do not call someone what they ask to be called, that is disrespectful.
You don't have to do it, either. It's not against the law. But nobody has to employ you, or invite you to fun things, or let you converse with the adults when it's time to make decisions, or stay married to you.
Either way, insofar as it's also a matter your beliefs, that really just means it's about your emotional reaction. That makes sense but you have to know it's not rational.
Yeah. I totally agree.
These controversial situations are really just litmus tests to figure out who and who is not worth hanging out with.
“In official government documents, the following exclusionary and sexist terms shall be replaced with accurate, female-affirming alternatives"
I think you are expecting too much from him.
What do you mean? Did Republicans lose the popular vote in the last 8 Arkansas elections? What elections are you talking about, specifically?
What do you mean? That he purposefully tried to conflate Arkansas government with US government?
No, he's just bad at arguing and expects other people to go along with it.
The majority of people in Arkansas support this. Saying that the majority of people in the US disagree doesn't matter because this policy doesn't apply to people outside of Arkansas.
You all know this, you're just upset at reality.
Isn't this a small vocal minority forcing people to use gendered language even if they don't want to use it?
Looks like the majority forcing a minority to use gendered language even though they don't want to.
Was this passed by referendum?
No, but I think it would have.
The majority of people in Arkansas supports policies like this.
That's nice that you can speculate but it does not really mean much.
Nobody is being forced to use "they". You can still be a disrespectful asshole if you want.
Looks like this issue stems from being forced to use gender-neutral language in government documents, but I'm not an expert on the situation.
The article doesn't say anything about anyone being forced to use gender-neutral language. The only forcing I see is the executive order from the government.
Somehow I doubt that this is really the most effective use of her time.
I think the problem is that they were forced to use gender-neutral language in the first place.
Yeah, but that's the case with most politicians.
Show me where it says that anyone was forced to use gender-neutral language.
I think you misunderstand. Citizens are allowed to use whatever language they want. This article is specifically referring to government documents.
I understand that. Show me where it says that anyone was forced to use gender-neutral language.
I just said citizens are allowed to use whatever language they want.
This article is specifically referring to government documents.
Doesn't look that way, lol.
Let me say it again, in big letters, because apparently it was unclear.
Show me where it says that ANYONE was forced to use gender-neutral language.
I have yet to see any evidence that anyone, government official or private citizen, in their speech or writing, was forced, mandated, required, encouraged, or even gently suggested to use gender-neutral language by the government of Arkansas. Whoever wrote that single instance of "pregnant person" mentioned in the article seems to have done it by choice. Governor Sanders is the only one trying to control speech.
Alright man, I'm just gonna block you now.
Clearly you don't understand what's going on, and I'm tired of explaining it to you.
Goodbye.
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I think you mean
"Do men and women think men and women are being clever when men and women say men and women things?"
No Men or women have an issue with using "they". The problem comes from men and women who want to force others to use "they" instead of "he or she." Men and women are not about referring to a group of Men and women or men and women of unknown sex. Men and women are talking about a vocal minority of Men and women getting really upset at statements like "only women can be pregnant."
I fixed all the gender neutral pronouns for you, now it makes much more sense.
Sorry, this man means: "This man fixed all the gender neutral men and women identifiers for the interlocutor who is either a man or a woman, now the man or woman text makes much more sense"
🥱
It's amazing the amount of effort you're willing to go through to show us you don't understand what's going on.
Gonna block you now. Tired of you people making this argument thinking it's clever.
Sorry reality bothers you so much.
I think you mean
"Men and women are amazed at the amount of effort the man in front of this man or woman is willing to go through to show men and women that the man in front of this man or woman doesn't understand the man or woman manning or womaning going on.
This man or woman is going to block this man. Tired of men and women like this man making this man's argument thinking he is clever.
Sorry reality bothers this man so much."
not the Bible but "in God we trust" is a gender-neutral pronoun.
"In God men and women trust"...?
First, that's not the Bible. Second, "we" is not "gender-neutral", it's just the standard 1st person plural
huh. TIL. what gender is it?
Not one to refer to an individual, that's for sure
Look, I know it's sophistry, but so is the EO in the OP. But the fact of the matter is
are all gender-neutral. Some of them can't logically refer to gender, true, but that doesn't make them start being gendered either.
EDIT: ANNNND many of them do refer to an individual (I, me, you...)