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All 10 of the largest U.S. meat and dairy companies have lobbied against environmental and climate policies, resisting climate regulations, including rules on greenhouse gases and emissions reporting. This is according to a study by New York University, which examined the political influence of the 10 largest meat and dairy companies in the United States.

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago (49 children)

agriculture is only about 20% of global emissions, but I would be fine with it being 100%: we need to eat.

[–] kicksystem 2 points 1 year ago (48 children)

Except it's mostly animal agriculture that's destroying the planet. Animals are not at all efficient in converting crops to meat, dairy and eggs. It can take up to 16 kilograms of plants to create 1 kilogram of certain animal products. 77% of agricultural land is used to farm animals, despite it providing just 18% of the world's caloric intake. Researchers at the University of Oxford have found that if everyone went vegan, global farmland use could be reduced by 75%, the size of the US, China, Australia and the EU combined. Just imagine how much land could be rewilded.

And no, you absolutely don't need animal products in your diet to be healthy and thrive.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Animals are not at all efficient in converting crops to meat, dairy and eggs.

livestock mostly graze on plants we can't eat or are fed parts of plants that we can't or won't eat.

[–] kicksystem 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Globally livestock consume about 6 billion tonnes of feed annually – including one third of global cereal production – of which 86% is made of materials that are currently not eaten by humans. Producing 1 kg of boneless meat still requires an average of 2.8 kg human-edible feed.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2211912416300013

and most of this 86% could be converted to other uses, including human-edible feed.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

what i said was true. what you said doesn't change that.

[–] kicksystem 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes it is true, but it still is a moot point because "producing 1 kg of boneless meat still requires an average of 2.8 kg human-edible feed."

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it's not moot. it's absolutely true.

[–] kicksystem 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I already told you it is true, but it means nothing. Animal agriculture is still an incredibly big part of the problem fucking up the planet right now. I think I have supplied you with enough data for that by now. Maybe read it?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Animal agriculture is still an incredibly big part of the problem fucking up the planet right now

since all of agriculture is only about 20% of our emissions, and we need to eat, i disagree with your analysis.

[–] kicksystem 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

neither of those studies support the thesis that it's "mostly animal agriculture that's destroying the planet"

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

the study published july this year doesn't say what the fluff piece says it does. it says production of different products has different emmissions, and those consumed by vegans are lower. it doesn't say being vegan reduces the more harmful production levels.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Perhaps you might want to start citing sources?

why would i? cutting up yours is plenty of fun.

[–] kicksystem 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

And this is where I stop communicating with you. Maybe you should reflect on why it is so important to you to be right about something that is so destructive to the planet. Something you want to deny, but don't want to supply any sources for. While at the same time every comment I have written you is backed by sources. You're an asshole.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

Maybe you should reflect on why it is so important to you to be right about something that is so destructive to the planet

i just AM right. if i were wrong, i'd admit it.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

You’re an asshole.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

Something you want to deny, but don’t want to supply any sources for

i don't need to provide any sources, since you haven't actually provided any sources that support your claim.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think I have supplied you with enough data for that by now. Maybe read it?

it's cute that you think i dont read OWID

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