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Ahead of the city builder's release on October 24, the devs want to "manage expectations on performance."

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[–] Aielman15 115 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (13 children)

I'm kind of used to devs releasing apologies for their games after a bad release and the following review bombing. It's almost guaranteed to happen for any modern AAA game, it's the sorry state of the industry. But now, we've reached a point where devs apologize for their games before they're even released. This shit is hilarious.

What's next? "We're going to release a game four years from now. You should temper your expectations, it's probably going to suck."

I mean, kudos to them for warning the potential customers, instead of lying to them or luring them in with nice trailers and trying to silence journalists by prohibiting them from showing game footage (I think I remember someone doing that...). Although I'm not sure how I should thank them. Should I buy the game because they were honest? Or should I not buy it, because, well, they were honest? I'm confused.

[–] jedibob5 36 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I mean, I think it just demonstrates that the problem is not on a development level, but rather on a project management and (particularly) an executive level.

Crunch and unreasonable deadlines in the gaming industry are the norm, and there's too much pressure from higher up to deliver a product as soon as possible, even if it isn't 100% ready.

Unfortunately, there's no real good answer for this as a consumer... If the game does well, the execs who set the deadlines pocket the profits. If it does poorly, the developers who worked on it bear the brunt of it by either getting insufficient raises, an even higher level of pressure on the next game, or at worst, get laid off.

The real answer would be widespread industry unionization. Efforts to do this are ever-so-slowly being made, but it's not even remotely close to being a reality. I'd say that if the game appeals to you and you don't mind performance issues at launch, buy it, but if not, then don't.

[–] Korkki 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

problem is not on a development level, but rather on a project management and (particularly) an executive level.

In any industry as time progresses the production becomes more and more capital intensive and that needs more and bigger investors and all that capital means that there is a bigger risk and that is mitigated by the investors by requiring "their guys" to staff the management and these people are unusually really bad for the technical and actual value side of the business on the long run, because they are usually people with financial or marketing backgrounds. They fundamentally work by the logic of profit maximization and there are always easier and more surefire ways toi achieve that than with supplying a good product. It's even worse when the end product is something that could be considered "art". In AAA it all eventually leads into pushing bland installments under rushed deadlines for the same once successful franchise out one after another, just because that is where the risks are lowest and money is still being made.

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[–] AProfessional 16 points 11 months ago

It’s possible some machines power through it. Just don’t preorder it and wait until you know it will work for you.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

Should I buy the game because they were honest? Or should I not buy it, because, well, they were honest? I’m confused.

Wait for the release and reviews. Then decide if you want to buy the game or not.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I would say what's next is preemptively decrying death threats, but they already do that when they preemptively fabricate the death threats.

[–] AProfessional 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

As a software developer I can say threats from users are absolutely real unfortunately. A lot of people suck and it’s easy to hear from them.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 11 months ago

Sure. But if you know your product is going to be trash, why not jump ahead of the curve and victimize yourself to start with? It's not difficult to do these days, and why wouldn't you do it? Altruism? At this point, not assuming this happens is just naive.

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