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So then we shouldn't say anything nice about Israel? They've killed Palestinians at a rate of something like 7 to 1.
Seriously. Why can't people wrap their heads around the idea that both of these fundamentalist religious groups suck and should be kept from power.
I swear people think super villains are cartoonishly evil people. No. They're just supremely self-righteous people. And theres no quicker road to being a self righteous cunt than to believe you are gods chosen.
Agreed.
This is how I explained it to my parents when they asked me what was going on
Two groups of assholes murdering a bunch of Innocents while arguing over which sucks more
No, why would we?
It's possible to think both the Israeli government and Hamas are trash.
As long as you're consistent.
Yeah, truly no good guys in this fight, just dead civilians
I think it's a big difference if civilians die as part of collateral damage or if they are actively targeted and kidnapped in terrorist attacks, like the Hamas does it. Also don't forget that the Hamas is happily accepting civilians casualties as part of their strategy, because it's gets radicalized people into their ranks and also paints a much more sinister image of Israel.
If an IDF soldier fucks up and commits a horrible act are they held accountable? Having an official policy means nothing if it isn't enforced.
Well soldiers and armies are supposed to follow the rules set forth by the Geneva Conventions or they could be held liable under international court. And by definition both sides are responsible for war crimes, but you are right no one's going to hold them responsible.
I honestly don't know if there's internal enforcement or not.
I hope it. If a war crime hase been committed, it should be punished. But I highly doubt that the army of Israel is full of war criminals...
How long have you been playing attention? That's a pretty common position that reasonable people start with but if you watch Israel and the idf long enough the picture changes.
Long enough to see that there are no saints in this conflict, neither Israel nor Palestine and no one is much better or worse than the other. But what I know is that groups like Hamas are the real evil in this conflict, they are plain terrorists...
So you only started paying attention recently?
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That you don't give any real responses makes it clear I guessed correctly.
sure you figured it all out buddy. Israel bad, Palestine good, I think I got the lemmy meta now. You can now fuck off and give yourself a victory wank.
Strawmanning me and still the non-answer is consistent with my guess.
They said they because Israel never is punished.
They bomb infrastructure basically weekly and you aught to look into that time they took like 15 minutes to run over an American citizen with a bulldozer inch by inch as a crowd screams and begs for them to stop.
Oh or that time they bombed a us ship.
Someone here doesn't understand what a war crime is apparently...
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criticizing current israeli govt is pretty common and level headed take: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/4544312
whose numbers are you using, there could be some sketchy methodology involved
6400/300 in 200 You right, it's 21 to 1.
Honestly, yeah. At least about the Israeli government.
Unless you are a damn hypocrite, you shouldn't accept anyone committing war crimes, killing civilians and so on.
Obviously supporting a terror organization is also horrible.