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Who owns the Fediverse? I mean who owns and runs the hardware that runs this system? (lemmy.ca)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I've been talking to many people about the controversy with Reddit, why I left it and why I went onto Lemmy, Kbin and Mastadon instead. Some of my friends have commented that the control is still a problem as other platforms and it is all dependent on who owns the software, who owns the hardware, who are the admins, who are the moderators and which community or group has the most influence.

Who are these people that influence the most control on the fediverse? Are they Conservative? Are they Liberal? Are they Republican? Are they Democrat? Do they lean to the left of politics? to the right? or are they center? Are they even political? But also if they had to be would they easily or not so easily influenced?

So .. for the ELI5 version of the question ... Who owns the fediverse?

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

@ininewcrow
Who owns EMAIL?!? Its the same sort of question.. its a protocol to spread or propagate links and other things on the internet WITHOUT a centralized company able to control wat u see to en extent (hence differnect instance) (what you see ) i cant spell and dunt judge me too hrash.., btw does this show as edited?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Yes it shows as edited

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This analogy should be the top comment. Fediverse services are like email services. They’re basically interchangeable. If your email service starts to suck, you get a new email address. It’s a huge pain to move all your old email, copy your contacts, set up redirections, and then change your contact info everywhere, but what’s the alternative? Are you not going to have an email address?

If ActivityPub services become the kind of de facto standard that email did, unless you’re a server admin the instances will fade into the background noise of the internet, just like your email server has. Once we establish the standards on how a server should be maintained and moderated, it will become easier to see and ban rogue operators, just the way we do with email spammers now.

Does anybody worry about the political leanings of their office Exchange365 administrator?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does anybody worry about the political leanings of their office Exchange365 administrator?

Yes, I worry about whoever controls the spam filter. I check my spam folder often. I've caught many mistakes, but haven't noticed any clear political bias. Yet. But the great thing is, if I ever do, it's possible to switch. If I'm especially masochistic, I can even be the one controlling the spam filter.

[–] scutiger 1 points 1 year ago

With lemmy, it's even better than that. Anyone can check the instance's mod logs and see what was deleted, who was banned, and what for.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok, that explains all these different instances. But this analogy relates ActivityPub protocol to simple email protocol. Then, it should mean that all different federated services like Lemmy, Mastodon, Kbin are various servers (similar to Gmail, yahoo) and have to be owned by someone who regulates them. So can you make it bit more clear!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Kind of, but there is one more layer.

ActivityPub allows more than one type of data (or rather it's all just data, it's the medium in which the user uses it?). MSTDN.ca, Lemmy.ca, lemmy.world, et al are the equivalents of an email server. Lemmy, kbin, Mastodon are different services running on the ActivityPub backbone. There is a fair amount of cross-compatibility, since they are all using ActivityPub. You can easily subscribe to a Lemmy community with your Mastodon account, or a kbin magazine with your Lemmy account. It just might be a little messy.

Remember when Microsoft started pushing "rich" email? If you were using a text based email client, you'd get all the HTML formatting tags. It was still email, you could still read it, it was just messy. Likewise, my experience with Lemmy via Mastodon was that you loose the threading and grouping. Comments tended to show as random messages out of context. Absolutely works, just less nice than using Lemmy for Lemmy and Mastodon for Mastodon. I will say that kbin magazines seem fine on Lemmy, but I haven't really played with kbin yet, so I may not know what I'm missing.

So the email analogy has it's limits. BeeHaw.org, Lemmy.ca, sh.itjust.works are like email servers that all focus on one format of email. MSTDN.ca, mastodon.social, mas.to, Universeodon.com, etc. are also all email servers focusing on a different format for email. They can all talk to each other, but emails from the wrong format won't fit in as well.

I think your question and my answer strain the limits of using an an analogy to simplify a concept. Might be almost ready to abandon analogy and just directly learn about Federation.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Next to the time (11h) I see a pencil icon that says when your post was created, and when it was modified.