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The original was posted on /r/upliftingnews by /u/DyeZaster on 2023-10-05 17:58:02.

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[–] pete_the_cat 133 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Simply put, a lot of people hate socialism aka "I'm paying so you can get something for free". I'm all for it.

My 73 year old father supports Trump (not one of the crazy people, just misguided) and hates Biden. He said one of the biggest things that Biden did that pissed him off was student loan forgiveness because my dad said he had to work 3 jobs in the early 70s to put himself through college (which he dropped out of and went into the electrical trade), so everyone else should have to struggle like he did, regardless of the fact that college cost him like $2,000 a semester and it costs like $12-15 grand now, assuming you're not living on campus.

[–] acceptable_pumpkin 145 points 1 year ago (4 children)

That’s such a sad argument. I heard a great counter to that line. Imagine we discovered a cure for cancer. This line of reasoning would say “well my mom suffered and died of cancer so why should others get a cure?”

[–] captainlezbian 36 points 1 year ago

My mom’s ghost would slap me so hard if I said that

[–] pete_the_cat 3 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I can imagine those people saying this

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It most certainly did not cost him $2000 per semester in the early 70s. It cost about $2000 for a full year at a private university. Around $500 if he went to a public school.

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d07/tables/dt07_320.asp

And that's in 2007 money! $500 in 2007 converted to the early 70s is $90 to $100. Minimum wage was $1.60 per hour, so he would have to work 2 weeks at minimum wage to afford public school. 7 weeks for private school.

What a burden! He might have to give up part of his summer!

[–] pete_the_cat 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, maybe per year, I don't remember.

[–] Cryophilia 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hate that THAT is the argument against loan forgiveness. No one is making the actual argument - that this doesn't fix the systemic issues that caused the debt in the first place and will actually make it worse for future generations.

Student loan reform is what we need. Loan forgiveness without reform will cause tuition prices to increase for future generations.

It's millenials doing a "fuck you, gen z, I got mine" and we should be better than that.

[–] pete_the_cat 1 points 1 year ago

Certain states are making tuition free for public universities if you meet their requirements, I know NY State is one of them.

[–] scarabic 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does he have any grandchildren? Sometimes people feel this way only about “others” and have considerably different feelings about how “we” should be treated.

[–] pete_the_cat 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep, a 3, almost 4 year old niece.

[–] scarabic 2 points 1 year ago

And he thinks working 3 jobs will be good for her, right? After all, he turned out great.

[–] CosmicCleric 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

so everyone else should have to struggle like he did

Remind him that as parents we're supposed to leave the world a better place for our kids.

[–] hydrospanner 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Boomers didn't get that memo.

[–] CosmicCleric 0 points 1 year ago

Boomers didn’t get that memo.

That's why this Gen-Xer is telling him to remind his dad of that lesson.