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Because its fun and going on 1 md bender wont kill u. You don't build tolerance that quickly. whenever people talk abt losing the magic in my experience they've usually been doing it weekly for a while. I take it very sporadicly with multiple month to year long breaks in between I doubt its gonna do any serious damage to my brain doing it like that.
People have literally died from doing 500mg before. The only reason you are alive is because you spread your doses out over 4 days. So don't say "1 md bender won't kill you" because the way you do it very much could.
My mates take half gram lines all the time so no that won't kill u assuming u stay hydrated yet not overhydrated and don't overexert yourself. Its not healthy but we shouldn't be fear mongering that it kills people cause it won't however it will kill a good few serotonin receptors.
Edit: Imma take a guess and say ur American cause they're the only people who seem to think md is acc deadly. I'm guessing because it's so much more expensive that they never end up seeing people taking that much but I can assure u 500mg is not the ld50 or half the people ik would be dead. I'd wager its closer to 20mg/kg or abt a gram for a 55kg person, which is what research seems to show albeit there hasn't been any human studies yet.
As if over hydration isn't exactly what kills people. Tell me do you know of hyponatremia?
I am not a fucking American. I have seen people drop 1g into a drink and chug the whole thing. That doesn't make it smart. Yeah it's sometimes survivable (2g is thought to be the lethal dose), but that doesn't make it not risky.
I am guessing you're a man as well as this has a significant impact on hospitalisations and lethality. Have a read of this: https://www.refinery29.com/en-gb/2016/11/128745/young-women-ecstasy-deaths-uk
The thing I really don't get is why on earth you would want to do that much. Like at 500mg you've pretty much hit receptor saturation already. Doing more than that makes no sense. People who do 1g at a time tend to act like knob heads anyway, probably because they've done too much and make it everyone else's problem.
Most of the people ik who do ecstasy r young women. And I'm not talking abt people doing 1 gram at once all I've said is doing 500mg at once and more throughout the night won't kill most people which is true. You even said it yourself. Stop fear mongering abt 500mg, it's not good to spread misleading information. It is harmful yes but probably not deadly
The fact you have to say probably not deadly is because we both know it's killed people, especially women. Like yeah you could be fine, or you could end up in hospital/dead. Why take the risk? Or at least own up to the fact it is a risk.
I've not said anything that isn't true so why you want to call me misleading I don't know. This is why e-tards are fucking annoying, cause you don't admit what you do is dangerous or reckless. When I do drugs recklessly I can admit it and tell other people it's a stupid fucking idea, even if I got lucky and was fine. You just want to pretend everything you do is safe so you can feel better about yourself and your friends (until someone dies cause their tolerance isn't as high as they thought).
How am I an e tard when I take 300mg maybe 3-4 times a year? Why are you so worked up honestly?
You've spent half this time defending people that take 1g at a time and now you're turning around and saying something sensible to defend yourself. Bait and switch much?
When did I ever mention people taking a gram? All Ive ever said is half gram which is 500mg.
Edit: are you talking abt whenever I said a gram was probably the lethal dosage?? That's the only time in this convo I've said gram without half before it
I'd say the same for going out for a drink because it's true. going out for a drink is probably not deadly but it could be. Please stop twisting my words to aid your fear mongering. And I don't take more than 300mg my mates don't do mdma anymore your fear mongering to nobody. Nobody is doing it unsafely so stop fear mongering it isn't deadly
Bait and switch.
I never said doing 300mg total was dangerous. I said doing 500mg+ is dangerous especially when you're taking more after that.
It's like me saying having a whole bottle of vodka is a bad idea and then you turning around and going having a few pints is fine.
No you were fear mongering abt how 500mg could kill you. I said that i knew many people who took 500mg, then you moved the goal posts to a gram. I've consistently been saying that 500mg was unhealthy but it won't kill you (look through the chat logs youself) because it won't and you even admitted yourself that the lethal dosage was a gram or above.
I have maintained that 500mg is dangerous and lethal in the right circumstances. It's not my fault you don't understand what circumstances are. The lethality of this particular drug like any drug is dependent on the individual and the situation. People have literally died at 500mg.
The only person moving goalposts here is you.
Read the chat logs. You moved the goal posts not me. All I've ever said for single doses is that 500mg won't kill you in most circumstances cause again I pointed out that I could say a few glasses of vodka won't kill you in most circumstances. I nearly puked on my own sick from being drunk but that wasn't alcohol poisoning that was me choking on my sick. Just because drugs were involved doesn't mean its the lethal dosage and it would be fear mongering abt drugs to say otherwise
Edit: I actually mentioned that I don't count over/underhydration and over exertion near the beginning of the convo. Idgaf abt those because even 100mg could kill in those circumstances, the same way a bit of vodka near killed me that wasn't the vodka tho it was the circumstances. If you wanna keep people safe warn them abt over and under hydration. All I'm saying is don't simplify info to make it sound like the drug is the sole cause because its misleading.
Hyponatremia wouldn't happen without the drug. Nothing you have said changes that.