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The first U.S. Abrams tanks pledged to Ukraine have arrived in the country and are being prepared to send into battle, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky announced Monday.

“Good news from Defense Minister [Rustem] Umerov. Abrams are already in Ukraine and are preparing to reinforce our brigades. I am grateful to our allies for fulfilling the agreements!” Zelensky wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter.

Zelensky added that Ukraine is “looking for new contracts and expanding the geography of supply.”

The Pentagon confirmed the tanks arrived in Ukraine, with a spokesperson saying “the mere presence of Abrams tanks serves as a potent deterrent.”

“By having these tanks in their arsenal, the Ukrainian army can more effectively discourage aggressive actions,” the Defense Department spokesperson told The Hill. “We will continue to focus on what we can do to help Ukraine succeed on the battlefield and protect its people.”

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[–] FlashMobOfOne -5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's always very inspiring to see what we spent our money on instead of health care.

Just inspiring.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We already had the tanks to use. They aren't getting used otherewise. While our military budget is ridiculous, if there were ever a great reason to spend it, supporting an ally to help knock down a world power such as Russia for significantly cheaper than we ever could on our own would be it. We don't even have any American troops dying in this war.

We need healthcare, yes. But what we gain by helping Ukraine is not insignificant. Also it is the right thing to do, so more points there.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm also going to point out that we (US) spend more per person on healthcare than most other countries. There doesn't need to be a cut to the military to give everyone healthcare, since universal healthcare would probably cost less money

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Oh I know, but why make a point on my terms when you can make a point with theirs? You can't deflect as easily when you are hit head on.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We are finally going back to putting into practice FDR's vision of being the Arsenal of Democracy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As long as nobody tries to attack us again, we might just even stay out of the war permanently. I like the idea of helping prevent the takeover of a country by a bunch of other countries with a finger wiggle while saying "ah ah ah, not today!"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yep. As crappy as a policy it was, Manifest Destiny really helped keep the US secure. I personally think we can afford Healthcare and Arms production, but being a country that helps other countries fight to preserve their autonomy feels pretty good.

Better than spending 20 years in Iraq and Afghanistan to just end up with everything back to how it was before.

[–] Edgelord_Of_Tomorrow 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The US pays more per patient for healthcare than countries with social healthcare.

Socialised healthcare would actually save money and allow the US to buy more tanks.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you prefer Lockheed Socialism or Social Lockheedism?

[–] Edgelord_Of_Tomorrow 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just call them Death Panels

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] FlashMobOfOne 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know why you'd say that.

I always feel better about the fact that our people can't afford to have an injury or illness treated without going into debt, provided I get to see a line of really cool tanks heading off to fight another country's war.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I said it because we can have both. Not that, you know, maybe we shouldn't have such a large military budget... But universal healthcare would actually cost less than our current privatized healthcare. It's efficient. So it is not the cost that's stopping it from happening.

[–] FlashMobOfOne 1 points 1 year ago

I said it because we can have both

Canada has universal health care. Their military budget is 26 billion a year.

Better things are possible, at least they would be if we weren't such warmongers.