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My uncle missed Thanksgiving 2019 because he was in an Arkansas hospital for "untreatable viral pneumonia" and the various complications that came with it. Shit was fucking everywhere already by then.
My gf and I had a gnarly something in early 2020 and we're still not sure if it was COVID or not. I couldn't smell, but that was seemingly from taking Mucinex, which is something that can happen apparently. Not sure if any of my health problems since then are a form of long COVID or not ๐คทโโ๏ธ.
My father had the worst flu of his life in January of 2020, bed-ridden for a week. And conveniently, he never caught covid. He's absolutely convinced what he had was covid, and at this point, I'm inclined to believe it.
There is zero proof that was covid.
There is proof it was not.
Don't spread stupid.
Judging from the fact that it was contagious as fuck and when it did pop up in a community, the spread was quick and ferocious.. I kinda just think people who claim to have some weird shit in early 2020, just had some weird shit. Not covid.
Blood donation testing proves otherwise:
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/72/12/e1004/6012472
Considering how fucked up the whole tracing and research situation was once the scourge hit, (not to mention any proper experimentation on how to treat it, everyone was just trying anything because they were desperate) and how rapidly the variants have evolved once the scientists knew what they were looking for, I wonder if there might have been a less deadly variant or two earlier, which could have traveled out of China in apparently healthy people, while the deadly version was starting to wreak havoc in Wuhan. People who assume they have the flu often don't go to the doctor and get tested, since they'll just be told to go to bed and drink fluids. It was only when hospitals started to see a lot of very sick people testing negative for flu that they started to suspect something new.
But I'm not saying there definitely was.
Testing wasn't widely available until March 2020
2% of all tested US blood donations given December 13-19 2019 had antibodies to and neutralized COVID, and because people don't donate blood while sick, those folks likely had and fought it off around Thanksgiving. Source:
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/72/12/e1004/6012472
Thanksgiving isn't in December.
What is the proof that thurstyark's uncle did not have COVID?
Odds. The odds say he didn't
That's not proof, that's statistics.
You're saying the horse with 2 to 1 odds is guaranteed to win. Every once in a while the horse with 5 to 1 wins with a dead rider on its back. They're odds for a reason.
Stats provide probability.
Is it possible that this dudes uncle had covid in 2019 in America? Sure, just like it's POSSIBLE... but not likely.
Again, everyone who had a random ass flu/cold/bug in 2019/2020 almost inevitably thinks they had covid. Look at all the anecdotal evidence provided in this thread alone... but as far as I know we have zero proof of that occurring.
Possible but not likely is not proof that it didn't happen.