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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/3320637

YouTube and Reddit are sued for allegedly enabling the racist mass shooting in Buffalo that left 10 dead::The complementary lawsuits claim that the massacre in 2022 was made possible by tech giants, a local gun shop, and the gunman’s parents.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 10 months ago (4 children)

If youtube is still pushing racist and alt right content on to people, then they can get fucked. Why should we let some recommender system controlled by a private corporation have this much influence American culture and politics??

[–] [email protected] 47 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

I sub to primarily leftist content and their YouTube shorts algorithm insists on recommending the most vile far right content on the planet. It is to the point that I'm convinced YouTube is intentionally trying to shift people far right

[–] pachrist 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I primarily watch woodworking or baking content on Youtube. I feel like the far right content is super prevalent with Shorts. I'll watch something like a quick tool review, and the next video will be someone asking folks on the street if it's ok to be white. What color you are isn't your decision, but what you do every day is, and being some dumbass white kid accosting black tourists in Times Square for shitty reaction content is just gross.

It doesn't matter how often I say I dislike the content, block channels or whatever, Youtube has just decided it's going to check in from time to time and see if I want to let loose my inner Boomer and rage with Rogan.

[–] T156 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It could be that pushing videos on the other side of the political spectrum gets interactions in the form of people sharing/commenting on it. Even if you disagree, going "Why does YouTube recommend this, this is awful" is still a share.

The algorithm prioritises interactions above all else, and fewer things get people interacting more than being wrong, or them disagreeing vehemently.

[–] TruTollTroll 14 points 10 months ago

This is happening on my FB video feed. I watch a funny chick called Charlotte Dobre and she does funny reaction videos. I honestly love her, but all my algorithm shows me for recommendations are these cop brutality videos with comments praising the cops, and right wing crap that praises Abbotts wall and desantis dictatorship. It drives me nuts, and no matter howany pages I block I always get more right wing recommended crap videos

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Wow I am so surprised by this. I watch mainly tech and gardening YouTube and my shorts have been extremely applicable to me.

Even when I use a new computer like at work the shorts are mostly pop culture.

Didn't make shorts any less annoying though

[–] Tilgare 1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I literally only get Marvel Snap/general gaming, College Humor, tech, educational, stand up comedy, and drones. That's it. I don't mean to victim blame, but it learns what you click and what you stay to watch.

[–] ChewTiger 9 points 10 months ago

Mine acted similar to yours. I recently started watching a few more short videos and now it's showing me an unfortunate amount of that far right nonsense.

[–] SirStumps 7 points 10 months ago

I am pretty sure it is just showing politically charged content based on people watching other politically charged content. I feel the blame is misdirected at something that only provides content people will like based on their past.

[–] VonCesaw 1 points 10 months ago

Depends entirely on what you're subscribed to, if you have multiple linked youtube accounts (such as the premium family plan) it depends on what THEY'RE subscribed to, and depends on location (my recommendations at home and my recommendations at work are wildly different)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I wonder if this differs from country to country? Or is it different in Europe vs US? I get maths, engineering, music. Nothing too awful. But there is clearly a fully conscious and malicious push to the right going on on all large platforms. It seems Europe is trying to step in and limit that shit from big US platforms before it's too late. Then we have censorship looming on the other side of the picture.

[–] ForgotAboutDre 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm in UK and I often get YouTube shorts made by/for US alt right. These include Ben Shapiro, Tucker, Tate and Jordan Peterson - also people complaining about Bud Light. I always dislike this content and alot of the Tate stuff needs reporting.

I'm left wing and very rarely get left wing content. I don't remember ever being shown any extreme left wing content.

The left wing UK content I get is MPs is Westminster's making speeches, the UK right wing content is manufactured publicity made by the Tories.

Additionally being in Scotland and liking music seems to cause Google to serve you YouTube shorts of Scottish marching bands. Google doesn't seem to realise flute (not traditional bagpipe/kilt bands) in Scotland are mostly hate groups. These orange bands are the group that became the KKK in America. They just aren't recognised as a hate group in the UK because they support monarchy, unionism and are actively courted/involved with both Tories and Labour. Despite playing music encouraging the death of other religious groups and using their marches as intimidation.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

True that. I also never see anything really left wing. But then I really try to avoid political stuff on Youtube. I don't want to see video content that makes me angry.

I've noticed that my punk music recommendations always seem to quickly get politically innocuous. It's like the punk always gets gradually filtered out of my recommendations again, while the math, jazz, world music, metal, botany, craft, etc. remains.

I never really take the effort to dislike anything. Not giving it any time or effort maybe makes a difference? Interesting fact about the Scottish marching bands. Makes me concerned that as a person obsessed with international folk music I might accidentally like something nationalistic. Especially in the Balkans it quickly gets complicated and genocide-y.

[–] x4740N 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I recently started to get a few right wing channels starting to show up but I promptly clicked not interested and blocked them with a Firefox extension

[–] caseofthematts 4 points 10 months ago

If you ever go on YouTube not logged into your account (or in a provate browser), the default stuff on the homepage are: one lo-fi stream, Mr. Beast latest video, and the rest is all right wing feaemonger stuff.