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We need the ability to tag users on Lemmy so that when we figure out that someone is a tankie or an anti-Canadian propagandist we can tag them so that the next time we see them comment we know they are a bad faith actor and can respond appropriately (and by appropriately I mean not wasting our time trying to have a good faith discussion.)
EDIT:
NegativeYoda said that Sync for Lemmy had the functionality I was looking for so I checked it out.
It does.
I was able to (temporarily) highlight NY in red like a banned user and tag him as a tankie. This week makes my lemmy experience much less frustrating. I've ashtray done the same (for real) to several obvious bad actors so I don't get drawn into a discussion with someone who has no intention of participating in good faith.
Basically how I used the Reddit Enhancement Suite tag manager.
Yes. There are several users here now who are bad faith actors. It would be great to be able to tag them. That way I wouldn't try to engage in conversation just to become frustrated by their bad faith arguments and insults before recognizing their names. I don't want to block them because I want to be able to make good faith responses to their nonsense but I want to know that they're trolls so I don't get involved in a discussion that isn't going to go anywhere.
Thanks for doing that. I have a similar approach.
I really want federated social media to work, and the extremist propaganda is killing it.
I feel that the ability to tag users is the only thing that Lemmy is missing for me. Maybe all of the actions of these bad actors will inspire the creation of a tagging system.
Check out my original comment for an update. Sync goes Lemmy does what I was looking for.
I would be happy to have it in my client. If I could have a personal list of tagged users so that their names showed up in a different color I wouldn't accidentally get drawn into a conversation with someone who is just using childish, circular arguments and utter nonsense in a bad faith attempt to derail the conversation. I could just ignore them and continue the discussion with other users but I could also warn others who were engaging with them and becoming frustrated that they are bad actors and that they are wasting their breath.
Just block and move on with your life.
But someone might be wrong!
It's pretty time consuming tagging people and I'm not sure it's worth the effort. I did it on reddit for a while but the supply of new assholes is basically endless.
Tagging people or blocking people is like a fraction of the time I spent on reddit, and its roughly the same here. And the benefit is the time saved not having to see or argue with bad faith actors.
You know, I hadn't heard the term "tankie" before coming to Lemmy/Kbin, and at this point I'm lost again on what it's supposed to mean. I have a general idea but it seems to mostly just be a malleable catch-all for "someone I don't like who possible sort of leans one way a bit on some things". Like how "boomer" has become super over-ueed boogeyman term for "someone older than me I don't like".
Seems like a lazy way to categorize tribally, and group people as "others". Or am I getting it totally wrong?
Tankies are auth left. They support the policies of Stalin, the CCP, et al and are staunch soviet union defenders and revisionists. It's an old term from the 80s in the UK
A planned state economy isn't a leftist ideal.
Leftism does its best to tear down hierarchies, tankies have a problem with the way economics are handled, and the existing hierarchies, but that's only because they want to be the ones in charge of both.
What a tankie actually is, is a ML who supports violent force against a population - Hence being named after the Soviets driving tanks into Hungary to stop a revolution.
Right wingers have taken this word and think it applies to anything left wing they don’t like when it’s just a leftist anti-authoritarity term used for ML chuds.
Tankies are angry leftists. They're the alt-left that the extreme right always complains about. I suspect that many of them are actually neo-Nazi trolls trying to prove that they aren't so bad by cosplaying as tankies. They're bad faith actors.
I'm an angry leftist, but I ain't no tankie. I'm pissed cause I'm middle aged, and have been dealing with over a century of outright lies from the rich.
I'm a pragmatic leftist. I know that being angry and demanding the murder of all rich people and government officials isn't going to happen. We need to get organized like the christofascists are and use the system. Until we do the christofascists will continue to rise.
The only reason I fear revolution is because I fear if my side wins, we'll govern peacetime as we would during war.
Really becomes hard to judge who your allies are when things get ugly, and there are way too many covert narcissists that know how to game their way to control.
There won't be a revolution in Canada. If the tankies try there are only two possible outcomes. The tankies ends up in prison or the tankies end up dead. Your taking about using a few Gravy Seals with military style guns against a national armed forces and police that number in the hundreds of thousands with real military weapons, APCs, tanks, planes, etc. A bunch of military fetishist with murder fantasies don't stand a chance. It's all fun and games until a bullet rips through one of your comrades chests and it becomes obvious that they're shooting white people.
Just ask Ashley Babbit and the idiots that were around her when she died. The attack on the Senate wasn't as fun after that happened.
Tankie is all about embracing the tanks. They're the authoritarian left.
Primary beliefs (all stupid and wrong): the Soviets and People's Liberation Army can do/did no wrong. Russia is still Soviet and still the good guys. Ukraine is a conspiracy from the West that is actually Nazi. Any geopolitical problems are the fault of the West who behaves as a complete bloc and is literally only motivated by the capital interest of billionaires. Africa and the subcontinent are the world good guys (just conveniently ignore literally anything bad that happens there). Lots of Islamophobia.
As with all authoritarians, it's all about conspiracy theories. If you try to argue with them, they simply don't believe counterfactuals or will shift goal posts and start talking about something else entirely.
Most of the angry leftists you encounter, especially in these parts, lean much more towards anarchism. Very different from tankies.
I recall someone saying the term originates somewhere online, and describes literally those who are cool with the tanks coming out and government authoritarianism, so long as the people being run over by the tanks are seen as fascist righties.
But the other comment sums it up pretty well, the lefty extremist Boogeyman is real, it's just a tiny minority being amplified. The right don't like 'em, the rest of us don't like 'em either.
On the side of the Tienanmen Square tanks is how I originally saw it, though it apparently dates back to the Soviets sending tanks to squash the anti-Communist rebels in Hungary.
Sync has this functionality if you pay for it
I just use the very free and very effective block function
My beliefs aren't so fragile that I need to protect them from beliefs that don't agree. We need to engage with the extremists. We need to call them out and let each other know that the person we are talking to is a bad faith actor who isn't interested in a discussion or understands but to simply spread their extremist message of hate and intolerance. If we block them they continue unchallenged.
If you have the energy for that, go nuts.
Being that the bulk of the loudmouths are bad faith trolls no sort of reasoned discussion is going to get through.
If enough people block them they eventually get quarantined into their own echo chambers and the oxygen of getting off on pwning the libs will run out
That's why they should be blocked at the instance level, not individual users.
Engage them? No thanks. All that does is help train their LLMs.