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Basically how I used the Reddit Enhancement Suite tag manager.
Yes. There are several users here now who are bad faith actors. It would be great to be able to tag them. That way I wouldn't try to engage in conversation just to become frustrated by their bad faith arguments and insults before recognizing their names. I don't want to block them because I want to be able to make good faith responses to their nonsense but I want to know that they're trolls so I don't get involved in a discussion that isn't going to go anywhere.
Thanks for doing that. I have a similar approach.
I really want federated social media to work, and the extremist propaganda is killing it.
Yup. It seems like the bad actors have moved from Hexbear to Lemm.ee. I see a lot of tankie nonsense coming from there now. It would be great to be able to set a flag on a user who you often agree with and on ones you have identified as christofascists, vegan extremists, or any other bad faith actor, really. Maybe we could even color code them.
Yeah we really need a way to identify ex-cops and other bad faith scum like them.
It's got to be exhausting to be that angry all the time.
Mate, it’s exactly the same as you except the of disliking boogieman “vegan extremists” it’s dislike of the real bootlickers who enforce an unjust system onto others.
It must be tiring for you to be going after the wrong thing all the time instead of acknowledging you were part of the problem all along.
I feel sorry for you. It's got to be very stressful.
Nah it’s pretty chill.
Hopefully you can grow up one day.
I'm sorry that you're going through life so angry.
I’m sorry that you think repeating the same thing is the same as having a point.
Enjoy life kid, I’m sure you’ll grow up one day and stop this childish behaviour.
I hope you find a way to become less angry. It's got to be very tiring to spend all your time raging at and insulting strangers on the internet just because they don't agree with you.
I hope you find a way to grow up and become a decent member of society.
So angry.
So immature.
Look, dude. You're so busy being angry that you can't see that I genuinely feel sorry for you. You, and people like you, are economic incels. You think you're the victim and that society owes you so you're angry and lashing out. Unfortunately, Lemmy has taken away all of your power to do anything but be annoying. Your brigades can't tactically block anyone who disagrees with you, you can't use downvotes to silence anyone who contradicts you, and the fediverse can just defederate from any instance that you infect once your behaviour becomes extreme enough to warrant it. You've been defanged and that enrages you. So, you are reduced to childish taunting and insults that only work if the person you're taunting and insulting cares about your opinion.
So...I genuinely feel sorry for you. You're going through life angry at the world and at people you think have more than you and with absolute confidence that the world owes you. I really do hope that you eventually figure this shit out and find a way to be happy instead of spending your time shitting in your hand and flinging it at people on Lemmy.
Now...I'm eating a bowl of raspberries with bourbon whipped cream that my wife made the off to take my son to hockey.
Have a great day. I hope you eventually find happiness.
Stop squabbling. I hate it when you two fight. :runs off crying:
We're not squabbling. I mean, I think that he thinks we are, but I genuinely feel sorry for people who spend all their time raging at others on social media. It's so self-defeating.
And to think you’re still going on about this?
Look it’s a new day and I have a life unlike you, so I’m going to the bigger person and stop replying to you now.
But just think about being a better person going forward, even if you don’t want to admit you’re wrong today.
Your childish taunts have no power here. That's why you haven't been able to bait me with them.
You're the one who can't let go of your anger. You will never grow as a person as long as you are consumed by it. I am very happy with who I am as a person and with the contribution I make to my community and my country. Can you say the same thing?
I wish you were happy with who you are. Maybe someday.
I feel that the ability to tag users is the only thing that Lemmy is missing for me. Maybe all of the actions of these bad actors will inspire the creation of a tagging system.
Check out my original comment for an update. Sync goes Lemmy does what I was looking for.
Thanks, I've been using Lift Off but if Sync allows you to tag users, I'll have to give it a try.
I quite like it. I find the text extremely small. I've made it larger but then the cards get very crowded. I'll eventually get it to somewhere that it works better for me.
This morning the first response in my inbox was from someone I had hilighted as red and tagged as a BAD FAITH ACTOR. It helped me to slow down and carefully craft my response. I like it a lot but the tagging and hilighting functionality costs a couple of bucks per month or $25 per year.
I would be happy to have it in my client. If I could have a personal list of tagged users so that their names showed up in a different color I wouldn't accidentally get drawn into a conversation with someone who is just using childish, circular arguments and utter nonsense in a bad faith attempt to derail the conversation. I could just ignore them and continue the discussion with other users but I could also warn others who were engaging with them and becoming frustrated that they are bad actors and that they are wasting their breath.
Just block and move on with your life.
But someone might be wrong!
Blocking users is a sign of weakness.
The blocking system on Reddit was horribly broken. Blocking a user on Reddit effectively takes them out of the conversation. They can't reply to any comment by the person who blocked them or under a comment by the person who blocked them. A bad faith actor can involve themselves in the conversation then block the OC preventing them from carrying on the conversation about their own comment. A small group of bad actors could move together to block anyone who didn't agree with them. By blocking up to 100 users each they could shut down disagreement. A small group could shut down a sub until the mods banned them. Tactical blocking was a thing.
On Lemmy, when you block someone you take yourself out of the conversation. The blocked user can continue to discuss the topic at hand below a comment from a blocking user. Tactical blocking doesn't work. All it does is protect the blocking user from being exposed to contradictory comments or ideas.
So, no, I'm not going to simply block anyone who is a bad actor. My beliefs aren't that delicate. My ideas aren't that fragile. I'm not that weak.
What I would like to be able to do it to tag users who I have discovered are bad faith actors so that I don't get drawn into a pedantic, or fallacious conversation with someone who is just trying to distract of derail the conversation. Having a bad actor block me is a gift. I can still respond to and discuss their comments but they can't see my response. I can warn others that they are bad faith actors. I'm totally cool with that. In fact, a couple of people have loudly announced that they're blocking me and I've celebrated.
If you're being harassed or threatened, or if someone is hurling racist or other hate at you you can still contact the instance admin and have them banned but you can't tactically block a user and you can't shut down the conversation in a community.
Weak? It protects your time. Although maybe you have hours to post online with idiots. Most people don't.
So block me and move on.
It's pretty time consuming tagging people and I'm not sure it's worth the effort. I did it on reddit for a while but the supply of new assholes is basically endless.
Tagging people or blocking people is like a fraction of the time I spent on reddit, and its roughly the same here. And the benefit is the time saved not having to see or argue with bad faith actors.
Check out my original comment for an update. Sync goes Lemmy does what I was looking for.