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Good read, gives me a lot of hope for this project.

I look forward to an exciting future with all of you.

(Also- hopefully this wasn't posted already)

https://join-lemmy.org/news/2023-06-17_-_Update_from_Lemmy_after_the_Reddit_blackout

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[–] spirit 91 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

Update 3: @[email protected] did state that they (singular) disagree that a genocide is taking place.

Update 2: My conclusion


Update: So I dug around a little deeper, and found that


On another topic, there are rumors circulating that we are fascists or supported genocide. These claims are completely false, and like most viral twitter threads, are coming from a single Mastodon user on a personal vendetta who didn’t provide any sources. Such slander doesn’t deserve any response and is best left ignored.

Update: More info about @[email protected]

[–] MrFlamey 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's definitely good to have people like you investigating the backgrounds of key developers, as there might be ulterior motives behind them developing open platforms that compete with established Western companies outside of loving the free web and open source. Thank you!

However, I wonder how many opinions we disagree with would be unearthed by doing this kind of research on every core developer of Chrome, Windows, MacOS, Google or whatever. I think you would find a lot if you get people to air their honest opinions. In today's climate, if these people were open about certain opinions they might hold (not saying they do, but statistically it's likely some do) they would just be fired, so it's easy for large corporations to shake damage to their reputation from having certain staff members. For OSS it is a bit harder, since although developers can be pushed out, and software can be forked, it's all open and it's harder to understate the contribution to the source code etc. that such a person could have contributed.

It does kind of suck when you hear that developers working on software you like have wildly different worldviews to your own, but sometimes you have to put things in perspective. Having said that, if this guy is the only developer I might feel less than happy about using Lemmy instead of Reddit.

[–] Otakeb 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Personally, I'd rather my open source, decentralized software be developed by a nearly fanatical communist than a slimy entrepreneur/capitalist. Either could try to pull the rug out from under you, but at least one is internally consistent until then...

[–] WolfBearSheep67 -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’d rather have open source, decentralized software be developed by none of those groups/slimy individual. Doesn’t have to be mutually exclusive.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

I mean you're more than free to start contributing to Lemmy and / or offer to be on the core team. You can fork it and start your own version of it not owned by them. The nice thing about having a communist (or at least an anticapitalist) developing it instead of a capitalist is that you have the freedom to do that. You cannot do that with Twitter, or with Reddit, or with Facebook, or with Instagram.

Capitalists will not voluntarily do that because it is unprofitable to them. Companies that do end up floundering or dead.

Idk to me there's a very real difference between the two and I'd rather have a tankie developing a platform than someone like Elon Musk making it go to shit.

[–] xzite -2 points 1 year ago

but at least one is internally consistent until then…

Having to do the mental gymnastics required to make China not commit genocide does not suggest internal consistency...

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

This is so weird to me lol, maybe I'm just odd but it's so weird seeing McCarthyism still rearing it's ugly head after what... 5 decades? I am by no means an ML (can't stand them as an anarchist) but this is wildly blowing out of proportion what @[email protected] has said and done.

I mean like why link a 'Socialist FAQ' that's literally just a ton of links to education on socialism and the different schools of thought it has? Not all communists are tankies (not even most) lol. Just generally shows a lack of familiarity with actual leftists / anticapitalists.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think it's more like 7 decades and I thought the same. Reds-under-the-bed is still a thing!

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[–] iturnedintoanewt 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Wow...thanks. I had no idea this was ongoing. As someone living in Asia and seeing these issues from up close, these ring close to home. I'll be paying attention for any of these...moderations.

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[–] raspberriesareyummy 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

thank you for the research & informing us

[–] spirit 5 points 1 year ago

Happy to help. :)

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

This is some really McCarthyism here.

Stop being lame, my dude.

[–] A_A 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

(lemmygrad.ml) "funded by the NED"

Must have been stated as sarcasm if Ned is : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Endowment_for_Democracy
since they are fighting specifically against this kind of United States's actions.

[–] DudePluto 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean regardless of the devs' opinions they are forwarding the democratization of information by working on this project

[–] A_A 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I agree with you yet I was not completely clear : I meant to say that lemmygrad.ml are fighting USA's stance

[–] DudePluto 3 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Yeah, honestly, these NED guys seem really cool based on the wikipedia article. It's nice to find out my tax dollars are actually supporting something positive every now and again :)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

another mod said that @muad_[email protected] is funded by the NED. Source: https://archive.is/G5Dh7

lmao you actually believe that us joking around that we're being funded by the NED is evidence that muad'dibber is funded by them?

For your information the NED is a CIA front created by an Act of Congress, it's a tool of regime change established after the CIA lost their capabilities to simply go change presidents in other countries in the 60s-70s.

The running joke on Lemmygrad is that we're all feds. You're wayyy out of your depth lol

[–] archy 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You are amazing! Thanks for the time spent on OSINT

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

If this is OSINT call me the CIA (slight /s)

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[–] kinther 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Wow, this is a lot to digest. Thank you for putting this all together.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I believe those people saying lemmy is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy were being sarcastic. Thanks for rounding this up though, I appreciate people who do the due diligence.

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[–] pleasemakesense 4 points 1 year ago

What happened in this thread lol, complete change in retoric and basically only posted about programming afterwards https://www.reddit.com/r/SocialistRA/comments/y2rzhg/interview_with_anarchocommunist_combat/is5kna7/

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

This is ridiculous. If you ant helping get the hell out!

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Jesus christ, what a dumpster fire that comments section was.

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