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The Illinois State Supreme Court found a strict assault weapons ban passed after the Highland Park shooting to be constitutional in a ruling issued Friday.

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[–] Torvum 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Owning a gun is the logical step from the natural right to defend your life. If you are under threat of death by another individual, why in the fuck would you ever willingly put yourself at a disadvantage. Does your moral grounds of guns = bad really overvalue the rest of your natural life?

Someone invades your home, you grab a knife, congratulations knives are far more dangerous than a gun for every participant of the struggle and you have now made it statistically more likely to accidentally kill yourself. You use your hands, disadvantaged against someone with a weapon, death.

The point is literally that you have a personal freedom from birth to keep yourself alive and in a world that has afforded us better and better tools to ensure that, use them.

[–] FlyingSquid 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Statistically, having a gun in your home is more dangerous for you and your family, especially if you have young children or teens. A 2014 review in the Annals of Internal Medicine concluded having a firearm in the home, even when it’s properly stored, doubles your risk of becoming a victim of homicide and triples the risk of suicide.3

https://www.safewise.com/resources/guns-at-home/

Doesn't sound like an advantage to me.

[–] FireTower 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Correlation does not equal causation.

Someone might choose to own a firearm because they feel like they're at an elevated risk for victimization (ex. they've been threatened by a crazy ex) or someone who has suicidal ideation might go out an purchase a firearm for the purpose of commiting suicide. The acquisition of the firearm didn't cause either preexisting condition.

[–] FlyingSquid 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Please explain why exactly we shouldn't be doing everything we can to prevent suicide. This should be interesting.

[–] FireTower 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My personal opinion on the matter is that we should target the motivation not the means. People are miserable, isolated, and feel less upwards mobility. We wouldn't try and solve the issue of people jumping off buildings with suicide nets.

[–] FlyingSquid 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Funny, people like you always say that, and yet when it's suggested that we massively fund mental health care, people like you always balk at that.

[–] FireTower 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People like me? You literally don't even know me. And funding health care alone isn't going to fix the problem we also need economic reform to address the rising wealth disparity in the country.

Please do not try and lump everyone you encounter into boxes as a means of discrediting them. If you have an issue with anything I've said that's perfectly fine, but do not blame me for the actions of others.

[–] FlyingSquid 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have yet to meet someone who believes gun ownership should be totally unrestricted and unregulated who doesn't also think we shouldn't have universal healthcare, but you could be the first.

[–] FireTower 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Having a certain opinion on one topic doesn't proclude you from having a certain opinion on another topic. You have no duty to adhere to the party lines of political parties you didn't form.

[–] FlyingSquid 2 points 1 year ago

Interesting way of avoiding what I suggested.