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India's space program is doing more than fine.
Not really...
They use the same propaganda tactics as Russia. No matter what the result is or what they said before any mission starts, they declare everything means they succeded and that their now a world super power.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Orbiter_Mission
Exactly.
Thanks for the example!
They didn't accomplish their main goals or any research they said they'd do. But because it continued to orbit for longer than the mission (that failed) would have taken... They celebrate as a success and "proof" that theyre a world power.
I really don't think you meant to, but this is exactly what I was talking about.
TFA says India was the first nation to achieve Mars orbit on the first attempt. Standing on the shoulders of giants, and all, but still... that's surely an exceptional feat?
Is it better to set the bar high and fail to achieve every goal, or set the bar low and achieve less, but be able to claim 100% success?
I dunno, man... I kinda feel like putting something in Mars orbit on your first try deserves some respect and recognition.
It's not a question of if anyone could tho, it's a question of why would anyone waste all that money for basically just PR...
To my knowledge no one has taken money from their starving citizens so they can light a billion dollars on fire. I still wouldn't be impressed if someone did it, even if they get to tell "first!" after it.
Again, just because no one has done something yet, doesn't mean no one else could. They just choose to spend their money on something other than PR.
It's not just PR. Developing the engineering capability to reach Mars is a goal of its own. There are not many nations that can achieve that.
Did you get caught on a loop?
I'm not going to keep explaining the same thing to you over and over again and hoping you eventually respond. If thats the level of attention you need, just read my comment over and over again
The very fact that they can send working spacecraft is already an accomplishment. How many countries can do that?
They are not yet a world power even if they claim to be. No doubt about that. But they are projected to become one in the not so near future. No doubt about that too.
No, any country that wants to pay for it can.
India prioritized it over other things like this:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56080313
I'm not going to clap because Modi decided a pointless space mission that might trick people into thinking India was a world power is more important then the worst childhood malnourishment rates in the world.
He's letting children starve and develop life long issues so people like you do what you're doing right now.
what made you think India prioritised it over those things?
the budget for ISRO is much, much lower than the budget that goes towards programs to fix poverty related issues. ISRO is 0.27% of the indian budget.
the remote sensing satellites have helped farmers, fishermen with actual food production, weather satellites with predicting disasters and saving lives.
for us its worth the investment even without factoring in the nice to haves like finding water on the moon or launching private satellites.
No my country can't.
I am. not even Indian. I reckon what ever he's doing affect me the same way it affect you. And I don't even like him.
But I am not that bias to mix national interest with domestic interest - to paint bad picture on a target, to excavate the worse and burying the good.
They can if they stop paying for what the vast majority of the world considers basic decency.
Lots of people care about starving children...
Not everyone is a psychopath.
But it's pretty telling you keep repeating Indian propaganda while claiming you live in a different country you won't disclose. Even though I never said the only people falling it were from India. In fact, I've said Modi did this explicitly to trick people from other countries.
I really don't understand what you're saying at this point...
It's like you're halfway understanding my comments and just know no matter what you need to defend Modi
No. They can't. Have you ever been travelling the world, where your ideology is derived not just based on what you read and taught? Not every country can afford and even if they can, have the technology to do space exploration.
Because I am being realist, to express my view without being bias; not like you. Yes, there are propaganda in play, but that's not the whole. story. At one point it about domestic interests i.e. to fulfill their locals needs. One the other hand is about national interests - to fulfill the need of their citizens by securing the country against external threats. And how do any country deal with this two needs is based on what they can afford. They can't simply let go of one aspect to concentrate on the other. There's a level of compensation to be made. That's basic knowledge - but it seems that you have a difficulty to understand that.
You don't seem to realize it, but the way you write is like you are a from a propaganda media being hired to bash on another country (India for this case) and to nitpick every little faults you can find. First you talk about India's (space technology) propaganda, then suddenly you dive 180-degree south talking about them starving their locals. It doesn't make sense to mix these two arguments together. It's like you try to go all out to prove the India are evil. It's like me telling you that you country is shitty for having big military and space defence budgets when the money should be allocated to you local citizens to eradicate homelessness, illiteracy, poverty, racial disparity and thousands of other problems in your country. But it would be stupid for me to say that for the same reason I stated before - your country needs to weigh its resources wisely between locals and national needs. But you don't seem to understand that. Or maybe you do understand but you don't really care because you're driven by your own little agenda.
The cost at which India achieves these accomplishments are a fraction of what other Space Agencies. It's something they should be proud of.
I went through the link and the entire fact that the article is using a small remote town to justify it with the entire India's population is mind boggling to me. As someone from data science background, it just reeks as falsehood as no accurate source of data, sampling of such large pop and etc are mentioned.
It's a problem all over India...
Your have a "data science background" it's odd you can't handle a Google search if you didn't like my choice of link.
Well, I am just pointing out the problem with the article given its coming from BBC. If you could link something with much better sources, please do.
That person you're dealing with got a confirmation bias syndrome. The best they can do if to provide any sources they can find to justify their skewed argument.
Let me just provide different source to counter-prove that, to show the Indian government is taking care of their fellow citizens - government banned the export of non-basmati white rice to “ensure adequate domestic availability at reasonable prices". To keep rice at reasonable price is good enough to show that the country is taking care of its citizens and not letting them starving - countering the argument being put forward by sub-OP above. So, to totally claim that India is neglecting its citizens will be misleading.
To tell you the truth, I don't even like Modi, but I couldn't care less. You have a country and its citizens to deal with, your own domestic issues- its not me to judge. But to bash a country like the Mr-know-it-all above did, that'shitty. It's like trying to impose one solution for all the world's problem. To put it bluntly, that's shallow-minded.
Not too dissimilar to Elon Musk really.
We have the same kind of rot, it's just that corporate layer somehow makes us think it's not the same as the corrupt bullshit in other countries. But it's not all that different.
Elon represents Elon, and he likes to hear himself talk. A government that represents a billion people should act a little differently than someone like him.