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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They used to be. And then people decided carriages were more convenient than walking. And then people decided cars were more convenient than carriages.

[–] FireRetardant 64 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People didn't really decide, an upper class was able to afford automobiles, they hit tons of people in the streets, they worked together with politicians and automakers to push to make streets for the cars for safety, and invented the term jaywalking. The people who owned cars decided streets belonged to them and through mass production and suburban development, they have become completely normalized.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And then people demanded lots of paved raceways for their cars, which filled up, and made things dangerous for everybody, and worthwhile places far apart, and most of the drivers angry and miserable. Now, the world is on fire, mental health and social cohesion has gone to shit, and all those paved raceways are falling apart because nobody can afford to fix them.

But, yeah, the first part of that story is cute.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That sounds like an exaggeration.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Aye, it does sound that way until you start digging into it. The traffic congestion, the road rage, and the rising rate of traffic fatalities are just obvious.

Think about it more, and work-from-home is still a big fight after the pandemic because people hate commuting. It's pretty obvious when looking around out on the road; driving does not make drivers happy on the whole. The world is literally on fire; we had weeks of air-quality alerts around here because of record-breaking Canadian wildfires. Driving everywhere cuts off interactions with other people, the "weak ties" in a community that we now know are essential to countering the loneliness epidemic. In fact, the opioid epidemic is related, because opioids simulate the same brain receptors as social connectedness. And, of course, American infrastructure consistently gets failing grades because we don't maintain it. We would, but state and municipal budgets are straining under the burden.

I'm short, there's tons of justification to "fuck cars", if you look. There's lots more than what I've mentioned here.

[–] ArchmageAzor 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I wonder, were population centers large enough to be considered "busy" before domesticated horses and carriages were around?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

At the peak of the Roman empire, the city of Rome had at least one million inhabitants, a total not equaled again in Europe until the 19th century.

From https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_Roman_Empire

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At the peak of the Roman empire, the city of Rome had at least one million inhabitants, a total not equaled again in Europe until the 19th century.

From https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_Roman_Empire

[–] droans 2 points 1 year ago

That number is usually considered to be way too high fwiw. At 1,000,000, it would have a population density of over 72,000 per square kilometer. Manila is the densest city in the world today at about 43,000 per square kilometer.

It's even less likely when you consider they didn't have any sort of high rises and a third of the city was dedicated to parks and public buildings.