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Broke the cycle with my son. It was insane the amount of people who didn't even belong to a religion that this is a symptom of, who were pushy about me having it performed. If my son wants to be cut, he can make that decision for himself later in life. All of the atheists I know, were the ones that were anti-mutilation.
Why the hell would he want to? If there's no medical reason, there's no reason at all.
At that point, he would be an adult making a decision. It doesn't matter why for us in regards to his choice. Maybe he becomes religious or succumbs to social pressure. He could get a Prince Albert, too, or those weird beads.
As a parent it's their job to protect him from harmful societal norms and religious indoctrination until he becomes an adult. Hopefully the education sticks long enough for him to deeply understand and respect his body, to seek out more helpful mentorship when needed, and pass along that education and protection to his future potential children.
It's not that I disagree, I just can't imagine anyone who's not broken in the brain to want this.
Tell that to the chick who turned herself into Barbie or those twins that did... whatever it was to themselves and thought it looked anything but horrifying.
Yes, I'm straight up saying they're objectively ugly af. Don't even care if that's some kind of discrimination. They're just dumb, they made a stupid mistake, and I don't even think they've admitted it to themselves yet.
They had every right to do it though. It was just a bad idea in every single humanly possible way.
I'm from muslim family but atheist and have nothing against it. Like, it is just operation that become too popular at some point. Or was forced on people to prevent an epidemy of some sort. It is still recommended across many surgeons at least as far as i know. It is just easier to recover from when you are younger. Similar to recovering from smallpox.
Or you could never recover from being mutilated by not being mutilated. Also, you never fully recover anyway because it doesn't grow back.
I am surprised by amount of negativity on this sub. Like it is almost impossible to have a decent conversation. People just go nuts about operation which is about hygiene. Good luck, guys. I just don't see myself here
Yeah, why would so many people have negative views on chopping off part of a baby's body?
Weird.
I'm cut, and like it that way. But your position is flawed.
If you believe in evolution then you can agree that foreskin exists for a biological function, right? It's not about hygiene, that's dogma. It's wild that it's based in religion originally because if 'god' made you in his image it's pretty fucked up to immediately alter a baby to be different.
It's funny when people assign the term 'negative' to anything they don't want to hear about.
You don't have to read anything you don't want to. Move on if you don't have anything to contribute
So I actually have no dog in this fight but I read this
Counterpoint: that was before "pants."
Good question though, most of the animal world has retractable peni, why'd we lose that ability? Now I'm curious.
Also, shouldn't the religious oppose it because it is fucking with "God's creation?" Frankly them supporting it seems like flawed logic to me.
No, mutations are mutations, they have no purpose, some are beneficial and are prioritized by evolution.
So you're saying we lost retractable penises "just because?"
Cause I looked into it, and it seems that since we walk upright there's less of a chance at scraping it on the ground, so we can trade dicksheaths for extra room in our hips which would likely help moving around on two legs, which makes sense.
I’m not saying that
Let's note here that evolution doesn't care for "functions" or "utility" as much as it cares for "reasons". We won't be the first nor the last animal to get screwed in a shitty trade-off that natural selection deemed necessary. Humans are notorious for being born far more defenseless than most other mammals - evolution forced it upon us because otherwise our larger heads would kill far too many mothers.
I hadn't even thought about pants as being a compounding factor. It seems unlikely that cavemen had better cleanliness education than we do but smegma build up would be a problem even for them... Unless underwear/pants are what cause it to build up.
It was originally the Jewish convent with God. Idk why I was sliced, but it became common in the U.S.
It's an oddly barbaric tradition to keep around for so long without a religious rationalization. Most circumcised Americans are not Jewish
If you're an absolute pig that doesn't wash his penis, yeah it's better for hygiene. I have a better solution than chopping of your peepee, though: how about you fucking wash it?
You aren't required to comment, but thanks for letting us know how unhappy you are here.
Guys, its working
Atheists are angry a lot, especially young ones in the us.
With how much religion has damaged the world, can you really blame them?
Yes and no, I was an angry atheist for a long time, now I’m a live and let live agnostic.
Yes many surgeons recommend operations for no reason at all.
Surgeons idk obstetricians absolutely do.
The smallpox analogy is false. It is a simple procedure as an adult. There is no reason to force it on people who can't consent.
Wait can we say retard again? I thought that was one of the no-no words adults have been forbidden to say by other adults.