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Recommended Reading
- The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love by bell hooks
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Think about the alternative. A woman is trapped in a marriage and the only way out is to prove she's being abused or her husband gets his mistress pregnant and it's publicly known.
Is that better for the children?
There's a reason that no fault divorce became a thing.
Yeah because if they are being abused, especially with children present. It's easy to prove.
No it's not. There are different kinds of abuse that aren't physical. Besides, you shouldn't be limited to leaving a situation you hate by having to prove violence. It's gross to advocate for something like that.
Then don't get married to someone you might leave
My wife and I married at age 20. We're now 66 and still going strong. I still don't understand how or why anyone could be expected to reliably predict the future.
The one thing I can say that we've never done is to successfully predict how we would evolve as individuals over time and how that would affect our relationship. We're not still together because of some decision made over 45 years ago, but because of decisions we've made, if not every day, then at least every year.
Of all the flaws in any ideology or even individual belief system, the biggest by far is the idea that a position must be held at all costs or a decision be written in stone for all time.
If you can't be sure, one should not marry.
It's for better or worse, for sick or for poor.
Or do we just lie when we take vows these days?
With that kind of thinking, no honest person would marry while still of an age where having children makes sense. There are no guarantees in life and only a fool thinks there is.
My personal opinion used to be that some people don't put the effort in to get through a rough patch. I've since realized that one person's rough patch is another's deal breaker. We're not all the same, and that includes responses to disaster and resilience in the face of adversity.
Just because it's not working now and there is no evidence that it can be made to work doesn't mean anyone entered into it in bad faith. That vow you reference might fit with certain ideologies, but it's as fragile in the face of reality as most ideologies.
Then why even have marriage? What a stupid concept.
People change, people hide shit. The person you know the absolute best is someone that you don't know everything about. If someone puts on airs until the wedding and then reveals themselves to be a piece of shit, you should just be stuck with them for life because you signed some stupid paper?
I'd rather abolish the concept of marriage entirely than have to live in some stupid hellhole that follows the rules you think should apply to marriage.
You cannot seriously be this much of a dense cunt
Oh, he's a troll. He's probably made a while life of pretending to be this stupid everytime someone expects something reasonable from him.
Please explain why someone should marry someone they do not 100% know?
So you're telling me you are this much of a dense cunt. Wow.
You didn't say anything that would make it easy to prove. Just more people threatened if caught trying to prove it.
Did you not learn what the word 'abuse' means in school?
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