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Let's be real here. Do we really need a vaccine for this? An estimated 200k people get this per year. It is almost never fatal. People can go years without even knowing or being diagnosed with Lyme disease.
I am not anti-vax, but A LOT of people clearly are. Maybe we should spend more time focusing on treatment or symptom reduction for those afflicted than vaccines and prevention for all people over non life threatening diseases.
Is your stance really to go all in on treatment over prevention?
Not for all ailments, but for this yes.
I recommend checking out the CDC information or numerous other studies on Lyme disease and taking your own position rather than blindly excepting a random article on social media as truth and the only acceptable opinion.
Detection and treatment of Lyme is notoriously difficult. Why would you not prefer a preventive solution?
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, as the saying goes.
Bc despite their claim, op is antivax. There's no other explanation
Watching anti-science folks here get downvoted to oblivion feels good
Thanks, but I’d rather just not get Lyme Disease
I suggest you read the research papers on Lyme and form your own decision too. The CDC is hardly comprehensive.
Like the fact that the infection can actually remain dormant and undetectable in people for long periods of time.
I’m also pretty sure the estimates on number of people who get Lyme per year vary wildly depending on who you want to believe.
Actually here is the cdc saying 476k
https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/stats/humancases.html#:~:text=Q%3A%20CDC%20also%20states%20that,is%20this%20number%20so%20different%3F
Anyways. Lyme is a tricky one because not everyone has a reaction and it’s impossible to say how many people are carrying it dormant.
The fact that they put effort into making a vaccine makes it pretty clear what the medical community's position is.
Well, yes and and no. If the medical community was free to choose and not utterly dependant on financing from pharmaceutical and other companies, there'd be a ton more vaccines and medications available already. This stuff is really going downhill since the 80s.
People often forget what the medical research and medical authorities say are not always the same.
See heart disease for another one of these fun ones.
I see the points you’re making.
I still disagree with your position.
If the vast majority of people also disagree with you, would you still hold your position on this?
If we can prevent a disease with very little chance of minor side effects, then yes, we should prevent the disease. Lyme disease really fucked up a lot of people's lives.
From the Wikipedia page:
It can also come back even if successfully treated. If you have another infection that messed with your immune system, like covid, Lyme can come back and make your life miserable.
It sounds like you think all vaccines are mandatory, but that's not correct.
Your comment had nothing to do with what was said
Most patients can be cured by antibiotics 2-4 weeks of treatment
https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/faq/index.html
There were 9 reported deaths in the US from lyme disease from 1985 to 2018.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6480773/
Edit: Lol at people actually down voting verified sources. I apologize if your opinions do not match with researched facts.
It’s not all about preventing deaths, it’s also about maintaining quality of life. On top of that, Being able to avoid antibiotics where possible is a good thing for preventing antibiotic resistance. Additionally, preventative medicine is almost always cheaper than treatment.
No no! Whatever doesn’t kill you makes you stronger! According to this idiot apparently.
This helps other vaccines, like maybe one against lone star tick AGS (causes allergy to red meat)
Lyme disease can be terrible. Any lessening of human suffering is worthwhile, and poor outcomes are not just fatalities. You can get treatment and still be sick with fatigue, pain, and difficulty thinking for more than 6 months. Not referring to controversial chronic Lyme disease, just CDC's own statement. https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/postlds/index.html#:~:text=Although%20most%20cases%20of%20Lyme,months%20after%20they%20finish%20treatment.
Just because you have verified sources, that doesn't mean you have a good argument. I don't accept your premise.
This is an idiotic argument. Lyme disease can cause extensive and chronic suffering. A cold is rarely fatal, but if you were going to live for a year with one, you’d probably be miserable.
Anything that can make a positive change in our lives should be regarded as exactly that. Yes, there are other problems out there, but sometimes we need to invest into smaller ones to better how we are able to deal with the larger ones. Disease research and study is a perfect example of this, as better understanding builds a pathway to future successes.
I'm actually impressed by how bad of a take this is. Well done.
This is the dumbest opinion I’ve read in a while. I know three people with Lyme disease. One of them is a kid whose face drops on one side if they get too tired. And they are tired all the time because of having Lyme disease.
My wife has suffered from post Lyme disease effects for the last decade. Yes we need a vaccine for this.
We're kinda past the point where ONLY lethal diseases need to be prevented, yeah?
This vaccine may not even be used on humans. It could also be used on other hosts of ticks and may lead to a potential future where the disease gets eradicated.
It's always easy to say it's not important until you're affected yourself.
This right here is very interesting.
Dude this is incoherent
Just because it probably won't kill you doesn't mean it doesn't lead to debilitating health issues, which we could solve for if we simply vaccinate against it. Let the anti-vaxxers take their lives in to their own hands, but don't stop medical advancement because of them, for fucks sake.
This comment ignores that not all vaccines are prophylactic. Often times a vaccine can be administered after infection to cure or suppress symptoms of the disease. Rabies vaccine is exactly this. This comment is unhinged levels of not understanding the importance of this scientific achievement.
It is difficult to detect and can cause debilitating chronic issues. Why on earth would you not support preventing this disease?
I hope you'll get Lyme disease. Don't worry, it's not that bad after all.
Tell that to the friend of mine who died from lymes disease after a years of horrible pain.
For those that spend a lot of time outdoors this is a good thing. I know if at least one influencer that almost died due to Lyme desease. She just released av update video on it.
https://youtu.be/tCYpw9cnD7Y
I definitely worry about it but love being out in the woods. Sounds like a good option to me.
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For those that spend a lot of time outdoors this is a good thing. I know if at least one influencer that almost died due to Lyme desease. She just released av update video on it.
https://youtu.be/tCYpw9cnD7Y
I definitely worry about it but love being out in the woods. Sounds like a good option to me.
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As someone who plays the check all my skin game when I go outside and pull off at least 4 nymphs... yes
Wow lol, did not expect this inane hot take
Yes. Some people who get it really suffer.
Also, if the accountants and bean counters at the pharma company think they can make enough money to recover costs, maybe they know more about the demand and importance than us. Just a thought.