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[–] Got_Bent 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The $1.28 billion is if you take monthly payments over a term of twenty or thirty years.

Very few people do that.

Instead, they take an up front lump sum payment.

That up front payment is the amount the lottery commission would put into interest bearing bonds to pay out over time, getting to the $1.28 billion.

The lump sum payment is usually about half the amount you would receive if you took payments over time. If this doesn't make sense, it's a tangential discussion on the time value of money and its net present value.

I got six hundred million by cutting $1.2 billion in half since this is casual Internet discourse, and I consider very rough cocktail napkin math for illustrative purposes to be perfectly acceptable.

[–] BigJim 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Damn I think I would take the monthly payments. I wouldn't complain about ~$3m a month for 30 years. Whatever problems you have that money would resolve would probably be resolved in the first month.

[–] Serinus 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you take the payments they put it in safe bonds to make a little interest and use that to pay you out over time.

If you take the lump sum, you can choose where to invest. And you can hire someone to tell you where and how to invest it at a higher rate than they'd get.

[–] BigJim 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Either way they're still keeping a large chunk of it. If it means I get more money over 30 years, I'd rather have that.

[–] nogooduser 1 points 1 year ago

I think that it would depend upon your age and how long you expect to live.

For example, if you have cancer or other terminal illness with a low chance of living more than 10 years then you’re better getting the lump sum. Same if you’re older than 80 or so.

[–] spacedancer 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, it comes to a point when the prize is large enough that getting it in installments won’t make a difference vs getting a lump sum in terms of immediate need/gratification. $3M is an absurd amount for just 1 month.

[–] nogooduser 1 points 1 year ago

I’m old enough that I’d probably not have to work again after receiving that first month’s payment. I definitely wouldn’t need to work after month 2 even with going on an annual holiday.

Taking the monthly payment also has another advantage. You can financially fuck up and you’ll be able to start again next month. Provided you don’t start borrowing money based on your future income you’ll be fine.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But you didn't need to do back-of-napkin math, at all. He got $433.7 million.

[–] Got_Bent 15 points 1 year ago

My point was that the IRS didn't take the eight hundred million stated, but probably closer to two hundred million.

But we all love to get angry about anything and everything, especially when we think we've scored Internet gotcha points, so enjoy.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

The 433.7 million is after paying taxes on the lump sum.

Nominal Jackpot: 1.2B
Lump sum: ~600 M
Taxes on lump sum: ~167M
Post-tax winnings: 433.7M