this post was submitted on 26 Jul 2023
1605 points (97.9% liked)
Confidently Incorrect
4009 readers
1 users here now
When people are way too smug about their wrong answer.
Posting guidelines.
All posts in this community have come from elsewhere, it is not original content, the poster in this community is not OP. The person who posts in this community isn’t necessarily endorsing whatever the post is talking about and they are not looking to argue with you about the content in the post.
You are welcome to discuss and debate any topic but arguments are not welcome here. I consider debate/discussions to be civil; people with different opinions participating in respectful conversations. It becomes an argument as soon as someone becomes aggressive, nasty, insulting or just plain unpleasant. Report argumentative comments, then ignore them.
There is currently no rule about how recent a post needs to be because the community is about the comeback part, not the topic.
Rules:
• Be civil and remember the human.
• No trolling, insults or name calling. Swearing in general is fine, but not to insult someone.
• No bigotry of any kind, including homophobia, transphobia, sexism and racism.
• You are welcome to discuss and debate any topic but arguments are not welcome here. I consider debate/discussions to be civil; people with different opinions participating in respectful conversations. It becomes an argument as soon as someone becomes aggressive, nasty, insulting or just plain unpleasant. Report argumentative comments, then ignore them.
• Try not to get too political. A lot of these posts will involve politics, but this isn’t the place for political arguments.
• Participate in good faith - don’t be aggressive and don’t argue for arguements sake.
• Mark NSFW posts if they contain nudity.
• Satire is allowed but please start the post title with [satire] so other users can filter it out if they’d like.
Please report comments that break site or community rules to the mods. If you break the rules you’ll receive one warning before being banned from this community.
This community follows the rules of the lemmy.world instance and the lemmy.org code of conduct. I’ve summarised them here:
- Be civil, remember the human.
- No insulting or harassing other members. That includes name calling.
- Respect differences of opinion. Civil discussion/debate is fine, arguing is not. Criticise ideas, not people.
- Keep unrequested/unstructured critique to a minimum.
- Remember we have all chosen to be here voluntarily. Respect the spent time and effort people have spent creating posts in order to share something they find amusing with you.
- Swearing in general is fine, swearing to insult another commenter isn’t.
- No racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia or any other type of bigotry.
- No incitement of violence or promotion of violent ideologies.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Um, what does he think Antifa means? You notice how they almost exclusively use the abbreviation and hardly ever the full name? For those who might actually be unaware, it means Anti-Fascist.
Scott Adams is a fucking moron. He apparently thinks anti-fascists are actually pro-fascist. Dumbass.
He’s probably one of those people who think the nazis were socialists because nazi is short for “national socialist”.
Probably, despite the fact that Hitler himself said they weren't socialists.
The socialists of the party were killed in Night of the Long Knives
I mean but c'mon are we going to believe a word he said? /S
He wouldn't even need to say it - just look what the Nazis were which was basically fascism + racial science + antisemitism
Or who conveniently forget about the Southern Strategy and the great party switch. Massive, massive mental gymnastics to put themselves on the 'right' side of history every time
While I agree with both of you, these two points kinda contradict each other.
Just like North Korea is called DPRK: Democratic People’s Republic of Korea. The fascist use whatever words are in fashion to name themselves.
Many do think antifa is just a different word for socialist, so it’s not necessarily a contradiction.
It is a contradiction, though.
"Antifa are ANTI fascist - it's in the name!!"
"The Nazis weren't socialist - you could name yourself whatever you want!!"
Except Antifa isn't a formal organization, it's a descriptor for an ideology. An organization can call itself anything, even if it isn't a proper descriptor, but an ideology is by necessity defined by its name.
I thought it was "I did Nazi that coming"
/S
A lot of conservatives have problems understanding words, especially words that apply to political beliefs. It's party ignorance and partly a result of years of indoctrination. One example, thinking that anyone who isn't hard-right is a 'socialist' or a 'commie' and not understanding that those aren't the same thing. Then, fascist... many people seem to think fascist means an authoritarian government, independent of any other qualities or beliefs.
Fascism : a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government.
I mean, that's what most people imagine, when they think fascist and I think it's good enough.
Is every fascist government identical? No. But as near as makes no difference they are all the same type of asshole.
The rest of your points stand, however. People do not understand communism, socialism, nor Marxism.
You actually just proved their point by defining authoritarianism and calling it fascism. Fascist governments are authoritarian but that's just one aspect of it.
I literally just pulled the first result on google...
And like I said for general conversations this definition is absolutely adequate.
It's like talking about American Democracy and someone goes "well, technically we're a Republic!"... Ok great...
The difference between fascism and communism is that people have generally a good idea of what a fascist government looks like, while they really don't understand the other terms.
I disagree that people generally have a good idea what a fascist government looks like, or else there wouldn't be this level of confusion. I think most people at best, know what countrys had a problem with fascism in the past, without any certainty of what parts of of those governments were where the fascism was, just guesses.
Thats why comparisons to nazis and such are so common I would say. People find it a lot easier to point out similarities to known fascism than to try and concisely point out the exact point where an action became "fascist"
Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
It's not good enough because fascism is specifically a form of right wing authoritarianism which includes hyper-capitalism, close relationship between the state and corporations, sexism, racism, and xenophobia. Otherwise we're back to the idea that a fascist dictatorship and a communist dictatorship are the same thing, which clearly they're not.
Most of the time, yeah. We take these mental shortcuts to avoid a lot of unnecessary headache and talking.
Problem is, these shortcuts get hijacked by asshole grifters to push their own agenda in todays climate of tiktok and youtube shorts. And this is especially potent when the usual everyday use of the word is not good enough. Want another example: "What is a woman?" Same mental shortcut. Same method to exploit the shortcut. Same bullshit. Nuanced discussion not happening.
Sometimes, we just need to be precise in discourse. These people are intentionally not being precise. They hijack our mental shortcuts.
Another example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4F6GVLBVcQ
But yeah, in everyday use it's good enough. Of course it is.
Yeah but get into a debate with Scott Adams and like-minded morons and inevitably they'll try and pretend that Nazis were actually socialists because it was in their name. Never mind that was a throwback to some early party mergers and everything they said and did was ultra right nationalism. Strictly not fascism (that is the Italian variant) but aligned to it so closely that it broadly makes no odds.
Moreover, anti-fascist action: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion
It's not enough to just have an oppositional stance or something, it's the action that makes antifa.
I though Antifa were just radical cola purists.
Anti-fizz
That's a step too far!
I've heard more than one person on Fox News or other Right Wing stations call them Fascist Antifa.