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I can see that this is going to be an unpopular opinion but the answer is... most people don't actually want to live in commie row houses with a bar downstairs.
I live in suburban Australia. We don't have HoA's and the police don't shoot people, but other than that I imagine that it's comparable to suburban US.
We have a front and a back yard because it's nice to have some room. My kids play in my back yard. We also have about 10m2 of raised planter boxes to grow vegetables. Lots of people also have a shed where you can store hobby equipment like bikes, trailers, camping gear, woodworking, et cetera. Some people have pool tables, sofas, beer fridge, et cetera.
There are some sensible rules about what you can do in your front or back yard but they're for everyone's benefit. For example you can't erect a BFO wall along your front yard, because if everyone does it then the neighbourhood would feel oppressive. There's also some varieties of trees you can't plant because it upsets the neighbours when it inevitably falls over on them in 100 years time.
You can't have shops in a residential street because most people don't actually want that. In most suburbs there are shops, bars, and restaurants a few minutes down the road. Far enough away that I'm not bothered by them but close enough that it's convenient.
In Australia you can choose whether you want to live in a busy city in an apartment with shops up your ass, or in the suburbs, or on a rural property with no towns within 100km. Most people live in the suburbs this guy is questioning, because it's a nice balance of cost, serenity, and convenience.
of course! these types of building were an imperfect answer to a problem of how to make enough living space for many people fast enough and cheaply enough. the apartment blocks went a long way from prefabricated panel blocks in a concrete jungle to the point i absolutely loved living in my modern block apartment in the city center in a quite spot between two parks, 10min walk from a train station and a shopping center, with a terrace, garden, playground and childcare across the street and within 15min from any shop, restaurant, pub, doctor or anything else i ever needed.
what? i mean, i can believe you can be conditioned to not wanting it. just like many americans think unions are bad or any other crazy shit like that... but generally no. anyone who ever lived in a place where they can run down the street to buy milk when they run out or just walk sane distance to a pub will disagree with you.
It's kind of an odd take to suggest that people who have a different perspective to yours have been "conditioned" into thinking that way.
In Australia the "corner store" type set up where you could walk a few minutes down the road to buy milk and a paper was more or less defunct by the early 00's. It's just not a viable business model.
I spent my 20s working in bars and restaurants and I did drink far too much at that time. I always lived a short walk away from wherever I was working. IDK why exactly but I'm just not interested any more. I haven't been trying to abstain but I'm pretty sure I haven't had a beer or any other sort of alcohol since December 2022. I can assure you that I couldn't care less about being a "sane distance" from a pub.
You do realise that this "not viable business model" works perfectly well in a number of countries?
Yeah, but those places have either poorer employee conditions or higher population density. Neither of which are desirable.
i do believe you honestly mean the things you wrote. and maybe many other people believe that too... but if a person born in soviet russia would say that the decadent west is the root of all evil would you consider it as simply their perspective and someone who suggest otherwise as "having an odd take" for not accepting it? there are perspectives and there is reality.
i do believe you honestly mean the things you wrote. and maybe many other people believe that too... but it's just plain arrogant and maybe even delusional to assume everyone other than you has been conditioned to think contrary to reality.
But you are the one claiming other peoples perspectives are "odd takes" and you are the righteous one.
When I said that's an "odd take" I was trying to find an alternative to say that it's the height of arrogance to suggest that someone else's lifestyle preference is the result of conditioning, and that they would be happier in a row house.
Imagine talking about sexual preferences in this way. Honestly it's just an absurdity.
You think you are right and everyone else is wrong, that's the absurdity.
Nonsense. I'm trying to explain why 70% of Australians prefer to live in suburbia. I understand why the remaining 30% have other preferences.