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Mozilla deletes promise to never sell Firefox data. (github.com)
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cross-posted from: https://programming.dev/post/26136291

Mozilla has just deleted the following:

“Does Firefox sell your personal data?”

“Nope. Never have, never will. And we protect you from many of the advertisers who do. Firefox products are designed to protect your privacy. That’s a promise. "

Source: Lundke journal.

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[–] whaleross 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I've seen a lot of advocating for Waterfox that I believe is a fork of FF without corporate shenanigans.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Don't they have a bunch of security issues gone untouched for over a decade now?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I can't find any source on this (although I didn't look to hard, on mobile)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

This list is valid but applies to Firefox, not just Waterfox.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

Does Waterfox (or any of the other forks people are proposing) have apps for iPad OS and Android, and account syncing to enable bookmarks, extensions, and tabs to transfer between devices?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago

i just put ironfox on my android, and have librewolf for the desktop.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Firefox for iOS ist based on WebKit like Safari. Mozilla stopped porting Gecko over to iOS years ago as Apple's policy doesn't allow anything other that WebKit browsers. Even Google Chrome on iOS uses WebKit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I don't actually care what backend engine is used (in fact, I have long argued that Mozilla would be better off maintaining a fork of Chromium, and concentrating their effort on keeping good security and privacy features, rather than duplicating work rendering components and implementing JavaScript methods). I care about how my data is used and about the convenience of the experience with features like syncing. If I use Firefox/Waterfox only on my computers, but Chrome on Android and Safari on iPadOS, I don't get synced tabs and bookmarks.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago

Independent browser engine developers have a say in how web standards evolve. their influence is limited of course, but they use it to keep web open. Google have long been trying to integrate more "advanced" advertisement and data collection technologies directly in web browsers (including imposing it on non-Chromium browser through "open" web standards).

The moment Google has full control of technologies involved they will do everything in their power to make ad blockers technically impossible (or at least extremely complicated and inefficient) and data collection mandatory, integrated directly in Chromium. And they will do so in such a way that most websites will simply not work on Chromium forks with these "features" disabled, so everyone will be forced to comply.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Waterfox and IronFox are both on Android. I'm not aware of any Firefox forks for iOS, but I've never really looked into it, either. All Firefox forks that I'm aware of are compatible with Firefox Sync. If you don't trust Mozilla's Firefox Sync service (and personally, I think it's fine: being end-to-end encrypted, Mozilla can't see what you have in Sync regardless), you can also self-host your own Firefox Sync server.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

All Firefox forks that I’m aware of are compatible with Firefox Sync. If you don’t trust Mozilla’s Firefox Sync service (and personally, I think it’s fine: being end-to-end encrypted, Mozilla can’t see what you have in Sync regardless)

Ah thanks for this. That's really good to know. I was a little concerned that syncing your tabs in Firefox might be precisely one of those things that they're talking about with this new update.

you can also self-host your own Firefox Sync server

Oh, that's really cool! Do they have a Docker image for that? (Or even better, a Synology package?)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

Oh, that's really cool! Do they have a Docker image for that?

Yep, a Docker image, instructions in the readme: https://github.com/mozilla-services/syncstorage-rs#running-via-docker

[–] whaleross 1 points 23 hours ago

I don't know but I doubt it, considering they are privacy oriented and it would be counterproductive to have your data shared to some other third party.

[–] TheGiantKorean 2 points 23 hours ago

Giving this a try now.