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[–] NotMyOldRedditName 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

I know people like to harp on Tesla about this, but ALL of the mandatory controls can be done with stalks/buttons/wheels and have been for awhile

Hazard warning lights - button

Indicators - stalks or buttons

Windscreen wipers - button to initiate, wheel to choose intensity (or press button again to increase intensity). Button then wheel to turn off.

SOS calls - N/A

Horn - Press the wheel

The only one that Tesla didn't always follow was the wipers, but that's no longer the case, glad they finally listened on that one.

Is there actually any OEM that doesn't meet these requirements? I agree though, these are good bare minimum requirements.

Edit: I could also see merit to adding a defog one as that could be a critical timing thing.

[–] drmoose 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Those are always button on all cars tho it's more about secondary operations like tuning AC etc.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName 3 points 1 day ago

The law is about the buttons I listed. Those were in the article.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You’re right, the legislation also needs to mandate a reasonable location for information display. Around me teslas just CONSTANTLY have a blinker on because the stalk has no feedback and the indicator lights are only visible if you’re looking far enough down to lick your own junk.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName 1 points 1 day ago

Not sure why that is, but they do make a noise when they're like all cars.

[–] notsoshaihulud 3 points 1 day ago

Hazard warning lights - button

https://youtu.be/Vk3d-gHdhrE?t=30

It might be a push button, but it's literally in the worst location I've ever seen it in a car.

[–] AeonFelis 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] NotMyOldRedditName 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Your point? It's a button, it passes the law.