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Yes, there's nothing that's going to do more to stop Trump than attacking the Liberals.
By your logic, none of the partisans who were fighting the Nazis and Imperial Japan should have taken any aid from the racist USA and England.
No compromise, ever.
Centrist liberalism is inherently incapable of stopping fascism, so literally yes.
No one said anything about compromise or ideological purity; that's literally not the problem here.
Liberalism literally brought us fascism but the libs will never ever understand how destroying material conditions for regular people during the 2008 bailout of the banks brought us here.
Throughout the pre and post-election Democrat collaborationism debacle I've come to the conclusion that Americans don't deserve to be saved from themselves partially because of this nonsense (easy decision to make when I don't live there, I know). Like we all know the definition of insanity right? Why are y'all repeating the same things that got you in this mess in the first place?
I agree but unfortunately I’m american.
I really want to leave the country. I thought I’d stay and fight… for years I thought having a bunch of friends and community around me would save us. But a bunch of personal issues this year showed me who my true friends are and there’s very few… the community I thought I have it turns out I don’t.
The only thing keeping me back is $ and my mother who would be tough to move. I can’t even get her to move to my state, let alone to another country especially one that doesn’t speak English.
What’s wild is I have a “ticket out” so to speak professionally and I’d probably be able to at least get a temporary work visa in a bunch of countries. Oh! And my ticket out isn’t a fancy job - it’s a seasonal one that requires very little professional education in the grand scheme of things. Americans who want to leave the country - look into seasonal work! You don’t have to be rich software developer with a fancy remote job to leave…
I long considered Canada except I think Canada is just a decade or so behind the US in terms of a slide towards fascism. But maybe I’m wrong. I think trumps bullshit with Canada right now is at least partially to get Canadians to hate us so we don’t move there. But Canada would be the place my mom would be most open to moving to, except for the fact that Canada probably wouldn’t want her (she’s on social security and the work she does isn’t applicable to Canada).
There’s a chance if things get bad enough my state will rebel and perhaps even try to secede and join Canada if they’ll take us. I believe we voted the least out of any state for trump and we’re a border state with a history of independence from the US. But will the feds let us leave peacefully? Doubtful.
So, what exactly are you doing differently now?
I mean I don't even live or have anything to do with America. Defending ideas I support on the internet is just something I do for entertainment. However, what I would do if I was part of this mess is join a progressive third party and get them to run for local and state office, maybe snatch a few progressive candidates from the Democrats, and start contesting elections.
Since you don't live in America I won't castigate you, but the idea of putting together a 3rd party in less than 24 months before the next election is like saying we should build a moon rocket in 24 months.
Third parties already exist; you don't need to make ine from scratch. That aside, I know it's impossible to contest federal office in 24 months, but you can have people enter local—and if things go well state—elections.
lol!
I usually try to engage with people's idea and ignore the username, so I just noticed that you're both an American and not.
LPT, if you're going to lie on the interwebs, use different names.
Wait what? Where did I say I was American? I, a very non-American guy, still know it's impossible to go from nothing to contesting federal elections in 2 years.
FDR has entered the chat.
Please explain to me, in detail, how the USA providing weapons to the USSR and partisans didn't do anything at all to stop the Nazis.
Remember to cite all your sources.
Setting aside the problem of how you're ignoring the obvious implied "at home" in the sentence, FDR is a centrist liberal? Fucking FDR? Like, this FDR?
Yes, FDR has entered the chat as an example of what a leader needs to do to fight fascism.
Also FDR
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans
Illegally threw US citizens into internment camps.
But if you can like FDR who imprisoned people for having the wrong family, maybe you can stop screaming at Liberals today.
Okay you are not engaging with my point; leave the strawmanning to the conservatives.
This is just a non-sequitur. Like what point are you even trying to make?
The point where you seem to be able to ignore that FDR, for all his good qualities, did some pretty bad things too.
If you can ignore FDR's imprisoning Japanese - Americans, you can ignore the Dems faults, too.
Also, a 'strawman argument' is when I exaggerate your position. I didn't exaggerate what you said, I pointed out the fact that you seem to like some of FDR's policies while ignoring others.
So FDR for all his faults didn't fund a genocide, but that aside that's straight up not what I'm talking about. I'm not saying the Dems' faults are too big to ignore; I'm saying that, being liberal centrists, they can't stop fascism as we've seen these past 9 years. This isn't a moral judgement; it's a statement of fact that you're not engaging with.
Now there's a bigger genocide in Gaza and a genocide in Ukraine and a concentration camp for immigrants in Gitmo.
Going after Biden really did the world a lot of good, didn't it?
There's (at this point in time, anyway) nothing except talk of the concept of a plan of a genocide in Gaza, but that aside will you just engage with my point already? This is literally not the point I'm trying to make.