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You know, DOGE, fascist president and corporations dictating what people can do, institutions being ruined, laws being ignored. Is there any way out of that or is it over? Is the USA done?

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[–] pixxelkick 34 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The fuck is protesting going to do at this point, lets be real here. Why do you think a protest has any sway of the bulldozer that is happening in the US Legal system?

Protesting is just not gonna accomplish much, a little bit more than that is needed I think.

[–] Wilshire 51 points 3 days ago

General strikes are the only answer.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Such bull pucks! History shows 3% of population protests work.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Just to make it clear, though: The kind of protesting that works is not standing in the road and blocking traffic on a weekend. We're talking indefinitely long protests where you occupy public places in a massive show of force meant to force the present regime to back down, and all the violent clashes and multi-day standoffs that come with that. This is (part of) why the civil rights movement worked but the Iraq war protests didn't. For a recent example of this in action look up the Ukrainian Revolution or the Tunisian Revolution, or for an American example the civil rights movement. If the person you're responding to had in mind more typical quiet single-day protests then they're 100% correct, otherwise you're right but it's very much uncertain whether Americans have the guts for this kind of stunt.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Americans are the most domesticated and propagandized culture on the planet. I gave up on the ideal of mass consciousness after Occupy, because the billionaires who own this country have spent generations dumbing it down to the point that almost nobody cares. We're not seeing mass protests of the kind you describe untill things get very bad for a lot of people.

[–] kitnaht 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Occupy was infiltrated by our government by people meant to destroy it from the inside. They incited people and then arrested them for it. This isn't something that simply died off, they've mastered being able to co-opt an idea, push it the way they want, propagandize FUD around it, and then make it disappear.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 days ago

Occupy destroyed itself by being too unfocused and ambitious. It also failed to institutionalize and burned itself out quickly.

Sure the state also did its part to sabotage it. However some of the structures like consensus and stack speakers were easily exploited by all kinds of detractors and grand standers and also wore people out by their duration.

Don't get me wrong, it was great that it happened and there are merits to its approach.

CHAZ had a similar problem with their demands. What Occupy and CHAZ have in common is a continuous occupation of an area with people living there and building a small society. Security concerns, internal contradictions, and external pressure then lead to them falling apart after a month. With both we got a super intense short time of action with grand rhetoric but no staying power. Participants seem to be more interested in experiencing revolutionary cosplaying an anarchist utopia than achieving effective change or building a sustainable movement.

Occupy and CHAZ also have in common, that they were not repeated the next month or the next year with any success. Previous participants were frustrated or burnt out by the experience and outcomes.

The Dakota Access Pipeline protests also seem to have attracted protest tourists, who came more for the vibes than the cause.

White people are colonizing the camps..." protestor Alicia Smith added on Facebook. "They are coming in, taking food, clothing and occupying space without any desire to participate in camp maintenance and without respect of tribal protocols. "These people are treating it like it is Burning Man or The Rainbow Gathering and I even witnessed several wandering in and out of camps comparing it to those festivals."

In this case as well, the protest lasted for one longer time only, remained mostly local, and even ethnically specific.

I don't know that much about American protest culture and organizations. But my impression is a lack of long term organizations and repeated protests for years for the same goal. There are punctual chaotic outbreaks, sometimes widespread anger like with BLM.

What other sustained long term groups exist besides Code Pink? The name BLM was coopted and exploited financially by a foundation afaik.

I also know that climate activist movements like Fridays for Future and eXtinction Rebellion were only able to mobilize a fraction of what was going on in Europe at the time.

In contrast to Dakota Access the German group Ende Gelände occupied a different coal mine with a couple thousand people every year for a week or so from 2015 to 2024.

Do I have a wrong impression or is there a lack of political organization around protests and causes in the USA?

[–] Maggoty 7 points 2 days ago

That just means your target changes. You're not protesting to change an unchangeable administration. Instead you're building consensus and creating a movement that can activate if certain lines are crossed.