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Here's the relevant kernel mailing list thread. There's a lot of stuff going on before, mind you, but this part onwards is important.
If you didn't read all of this (I don't blame you), here's how I am reading it:
Martin's toot (mentioned by Vetter was deleted, but still readable from an archive link.
Personally I think that Vetter, Arlie, Torvalds are being spot on. It's relevant to note that, based on the mailing list plus this blog entry, Arlie is at the very least sympathetic towards the Rust4Linux project, if not part of it.
Apparently, martin has in general nuked his socials? Im getting an error on mastadon
If that's correct good for him. Seriously.
The same people who might cheer you up, when you're creating drama, are the ones who silently avoid you when it comes to working together. Because drama is only fun when it affects other people, not you.
And going by what Simona Vetter said in the mailing list, this is not the first time:
And being off social media will both decrease the odds Martin creates drama, and reduce the visibility of the drama he creates.
What is Martin doing that makes it "brigading" instead of calling the community to express their opinion?
It’s brigading to go on social media platforms and complain about the people you work with in order to exert outside pressure on them. You’re bypassing the formal processes of discussion and consensus-building and trying to leverage informal power you have. This tends to make people very angry and reluctant to work with you no matter what.
Linux is an open source project, not a democracy. If you want to contribute you have to follow their rules.
To add to what @[email protected] said, I'll use an example.
Alice and Bob are organising a party. Alice claims that they should serve cheap wine. Bob argues for cheap wine plus beer. Alice is rather stubborn on saying "no, we'll get drunkards this way"; it's a poor argument but it's still about the drinks.
Then Charlie pops up out of nowhere. Charlie is not part of the party organisation, but he's still planning to attend the party, and he's a biiiig fan of beer. He picks a megaphone and says "Hey! Alice is calling every beer drinker a drunkard! As a beer drinker, I feel deeply offended by that. If I was Bob I'd simply buy lotsa beer and ignore Alice."
Then you get a bunch of people, who'll never attend the party, eating popcorn while they watch the "Alice vs. Bob+Charlie" fight. Except that there's no fight; Alice and Bob are arguing about something, and Charlie is creating drama. And a few popcorn eaters are bound to exert pressure towards Alice to give beer an OK sign, without even bothering to hear her side of the matter.
That is brigading: regardless of his "intentions" Charlie is bringing random people into the discussion to exert pressure towards one side of the dispute. Including muppets that think that anyone trying to get what Alice says must be "illiterate beer haters".
Now replace Alice, Bob, Charlie with Hellwig, Rust4Linux devs, Martin. Replace cheap wine with C and beer with Rust. It's the same deal.
Even after expanding on it, you seem to think Hellwig and Rust4Linux should have the discussion in private, and Hellwig should make the final decision in private, and everyone else should just defer to Hellwig and shut up.
I did not say or even imply that.
I did not say or even imply that.
You don't know what others think. Stop lying / assuming that you do, and putting words into their mouths in the process.
Why does your opinion matter? You're a chicken, not a pig.