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We know they're war-criminals. There's still a difference between that and leveling the place for a hotel. Trump gleefully accepted $100m from Adelson for the west bank.
Stop assuming we're pro-dems and not just anti-trump.
Gaza is fully leveled and Trump had nothing to do with it.
This is the shit that drives me nuts. No matter how many fucking times you explain it, they just cannot wrap their heads around this for some reason. Or they refuse to.
Votes for Dems completely unconditionally and demands others do the same "Why does everyone keep assuming we're pro-Dem? Don't they know that we send negative energy waves through our mind palaces towards zionist Dems all the time?"
I'm not accusing anyone of being pro-dems, I'm pointing out that this line of reporting is intentionally misdirecting anger at voters - who can literally only react to the policies and governance of the democrats as they are - instead of the democrats sabotaging themselves for thinking they could have their cake and eat it too.
Thinking that the democrats could participate in a highly-publicized genocide and not lose any voters is folly, but then turning around blaming the voters for the loss of votes is beyond hubris and well into delusion. Anyone with eyes could see this loss coming from a mile away and was screaming at the democrats to change course.
But the voters are to blame. So is the DNC. Both suck...bad. Unfortunately, the majority of Americans, including their political representative, are more concerned with propping up failing capitalism than actually fixing solvable world issues. At this point, I find it impossible to envision creating enough public and political support for actual change unless the entire economic system burns down. My fear is that instead of galvanizing the working class, ian economic collapse is only going to create a vacuum to be filled by the next fascist to secure even greater control.
If you have a practical solution, i'd love to hear it.
Lenin actually described this pattern, theorizing that "fascism is capitalism in decay."
There are a lot of marxists of a variety of bents who have their own theories on how to achieve a socialist state, but most of them guess that an advanced capitalist state has very little likelihood of transitioning without a revolutionary vanguard or violent class conflict.
It's a reason why socialist projects almost exclusively appear in pre-industrial parts of the world - but a classless communist state is only really achievable in more advanced post-industrial societies because they'd actually have the infrastructure to get to post-scarcity. So what ends up happening usually is either a protracted socialist "dictatorship of the proletariat", or a social democratic state that is slowly undermined by austerity until it returns to a more conventional capitalist organization.
All that to say: no, I do not think the US even meets the bare minimum of class consciousness required to avoid a fascistic collapse. The only good news is that, historically, fascist movements tend to burn out fairly quickly unless they have a competent leader. So, there's that.
Unfortunately, this is usually what happens when governments/societies collapse. Lot of people on the internet talking about burning it all down and starting over, not realizing that usually just makes things worse.
It doesn't matter if Democrats aren't picture perfect. Anyone willing to rub brain cells together knows they're infinitely better at governing than Republicans, including in regards to Palestine, and should vote accordingly. I don't need the Democrats to cup my balls and talk dirty to me to know the smarter move is to vote for them. I don't need to be courted every fucking election or my vote goes to a proto-fascist or I don't vote at all.
The majority of the fault is squarely on voters, not Democrats. Because they didn't fucking inform themselves responsibly.
A little less than half of all eligible voters don't vote in any given federal election - multiple factors more than the margin of every race; can we blame those people for every atrocity conducted on our behalf, too?
The outcome of every election since our founding was determined by how many people the candidates can get to turn out for them -that didn't suddenly change this time. Democrats chose to spend their efforts trying to disabuse their constituents of their moral objections and deny any real domestic reform, and they lost because of it.
I'm not assuming you're pro-dems, I'm pointing out that their loss is entirely attributable to their own political mis-calculation on top of their efforts to gaslight Americans about their roll and knowledge of the crimes being committed on their behalf.
Blaming voters for reacting to the Democrats' policy decisions - including the moderates they alienated - is simply yet another attempt to obscure the facts that lead us to this moment.
Probably more to do with the mass delusion and post truth world we live in.
And yes, enabling the greater evil is a failing of the people who voted against their interests because less evil wasn’t good enough.
Democrats enabled the greater evil by ignoring the interests of the constituencies they needed to win. It doesn't matter if the lesser evil is objectively the right choice - they still need millions of people to go to the booth and make that choice, and nobody has more control over voter enthusiasm than the democrats themselves.
This is nobody's fault but the democrats.
Because they didn't cut ties with Israel? There's no reality in which America is going to break up with their most important ally in the Middle East. Did you want Democrats to lie that they'd break ties so they could win and then go back on that promise? Flip flopping like that is what leads a country to having exactly zero allies.
I guess they had faith in Americans to be informed enough to know that despite not being perfect, they're INFINITELY better than Republicans. But that faith was 100% misplaced because Americans, my friend, are DUMB.
Because - far from 'cutting ties' with Israel - they actively shielded them from international accountability and continued supplying them with the bombs they were (and are still) dropping on Palestinian children
That is literally the fucking opposite of how voting works. You only got two choices for a winner here Biden or trump and not voting Biden = trump.
You guys seem to think there's a 3rd option here.
First past the post voting literally shows otherwise. You are a fool.
They did enable the greater evil, but it was voters who ultimately put them in office, not Democrats. The buck stops with the voters. Or it did - they made sure it won't any more.
Guess I'll just repeat myself:
"they still need millions of people to go to the booth and make that choice, and nobody has more control over voter enthusiasm than the democrats themselves"
If you want to play games with abstracting agency away from the people who had control of the entire situation, go nuts. But not only did the democrats have every opportunity to make the case for themselves, but they also dug the grave they're now laying in by building their platform around AIPAC money (and large corporate donors) to begin with.
The democrats simply cannot win with the political machine they've constructed anymore.
Now that's a statement I can agree with. In America political parties have to lie through their teeth and foment fear to win elections. Because Americans are easily manipulated.
Because they showed up to this campaign with receipts of their accomplishments and focused on talking policy and avoiding blatant propaganda and it clearly didn't work. Meanwhile, a guy who openly admitted he didn't have plans and told everyone immigrants were eating people's pets got to become the most powerful figure on the planet.
Americans are dumb. They must be lied to. Democrats should start doing that. Hell, they should have just lied that they'd break ties with Israel so they could win.
Lmao, is that what they did?
If you're gonna emulate what the republicans are doing, why not say 'fuck the parliamentarian' and just plow through actual, substantial reforms? Why pick the deception part and not the complete disregard for the rules in service of achieving your agenda part?
Congratulations on helping trump win. You're partially responsible when Gaza goes bye bye. Not the Dems.
If all it took for trump to win was a handful of internet weirdos to loudly oppose an active genocide then maybe the democrats were never going to win in the first place.
Congratulations on helping Trump win even more by defending the Democrat's incompetence and distracting the fight away from the actual fascist in the White House. Go ahead and continue attacking the left and the Muslim base. I'm sure that'll help slow down Trump's attack on your democracy.
You realize the person you're responding to LITERALLY believes the same about you, right?
That's their entire point.
Throwing a not-that-pithy "This is all your fault" won't even phase them. Would it phase you if they did it to you?
Surely you see the difference between Democratic leadership and the masses that believe in some semblance of humanity. I swear your short-sighted goal of overthrowing the system has resulted in millions of Americans marching goose step and lining trans children up for the slaughter.
Own your part now or history will not look kindly upon you and your ilk. You are right, but also very wrong.
Those kids had already been placed in that line by the system you're defending - half the states in the union had already been targeting them while democrats were at the helm, and now the democrats have the audacity to be blaming their loss on being too trans-friendly.
It is okay to be wrong, I know you are riding on a high right now. It is in a lot of ways bullshit though and you are also responsible for what has happened.
That's a healthy attitude, good job