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[–] Ensign_Crab 22 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

This implies a fair primary process.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 12 hours ago

To extend a bit, the DNC controls the machine to run elections. They are friends with the corporate donors and the "left wing" media. Without their support it's very hard to brand yourself as a full blown democrat candidate, which eventually will matter to the voting public.

[–] UsernameHere 3 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

How did any progressives get elected if our primaries are unfair?

How do progressives win against the GOP when they don’t play fair?

[–] FlowVoid 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

According to leftists, control of corporate donors and the media makes the DNC extremely strong. But simultaneously, the DNC is extremely weak.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

control of corporate donors and the media makes the DNC extremely strong

You seem to be a bad listener, because you got it backwards. The DNC doesn't have control over corporate donors and the media, corporate donors and the media have control over the DNC. They're not actually weak, their supposed incompetence is a choice. They're not actually incapable of winning elections and passing good policy that helps the people, they're unwilling. The interests of the Democratic leadership and the interests of the people are misaligned, and they only appear weak because they misrepresent their values and goals.

[–] FlowVoid 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Ok, so if leftists can't win a primary because they have no support from donors and media, then how are they supposed to win a general election?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The only answer is mass movements. If you can't beat them with money you have to beat them with numbers. We have to continue the slow process of building dual power from the bottom up by engaging in mutual aid and taking into our own hands what the Democrats refuse to.

Money is power in this country, but at its core it's only an abstraction of labor power. Unions can win elections and even run their own social programs if only more people choose to fight. Existing unions need to radicalize and more radical unions need to form.

[–] FlowVoid 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

If mass movements can win a general election then they can win a primary.

Conversely, if leftists aren't yet winning primaries with mass movements, then they can't yet win general elections.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 43 minutes ago (1 children)

The left is in a slump right now and has been for some time. Decades of repression have been successful in preventing mass movements (ones that challenge the status quo, at least) before they start. We can break through, but it will take a lot more people realizing that they can't achieve their political objectives by working within the system, and then overcoming their apathy and hopelessness enough to take collective action.

A lot of people are stuck in the apathy and hopelessness stage right now, but I see rising revolutionary potential. More people are waking up, and the mass movement that finally breaks the siege may be on the horizon. Don't give up hope.

[–] FlowVoid 1 points 37 minutes ago

Well, that much is true.

[–] Ensign_Crab 7 points 11 hours ago (41 children)

How did any progressives get elected if our primaries are unfair?

They got elected despite the party's interference.

How do progressives win against the GOP when they don’t play fair?

The GOP doesn't control national elections like the DNC/DCCC/DSCC controls primaries.

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