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Just Stop Oil protester, 78, has jail term extended after no suitable tag found
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The “disruptive protests are bad” people are straight garbage pieces of shit. You know what is disruptive? Blizzards in Florida, wildfires in California and Canada, and mass migrations of island people due to oceans rising. So go fuck yourselves with this “boo hoo traffic got held up a couple minutes “ bullshit you fucking pussies.
Well put. The same dumbfucks who decry the visual pollution of looking at windmills but don't realize actual smog is the alterntative.
Strawman. There are no such people. You are mischaracterizing criticism of JSO methodology as criticism of their cause.
When you're protesting racism in February, 1960, do you plan a sit-in protest at a "Whites Only" diner? JSO methodology would have you picket a black-owned restaurant that caters to minorities, to "bring attention" to the problem. As if their audience had no clue that the problem existed.
When you're protesting homophobia in the 90s, do you attend a pride parade? Based on their current methodology, JSO would have slow-walk in front of a gay bar, to "bring attention" to discrimination on the basis of sexuality by disrupting attendance of that bar. As if their audience didn't already know that they were victims of homophobia.
If you're protesting the health insurance industry in the 2020s, do you "Occupy ERs", or do you Player 2 an insurance executive? Based in their current methodology, JSO would camp out in an ambulance bay, to "bring attention" to the plight of the sick and injured. As if patients didn't realize how badly they were being screwed by "insurers".
JSO (et al) is "disrupting" the general public instead of "disrupting" agents, subsidiaries, or beneficiaries of the oil industry. They are targeting the public as if the public has no clue that we are being screwed over.
JSO could be making just as big a spectacle, and bringing just as much attention to the problem by targeting gas stations, ICE car dealerships, and other public faces of the oil industry. Instead, they are "disrupting" fellow victims of that industry.
Yes, we need disruptive protests: we need the
oil industry to be disrupted.
The oil industry. Not the general public.
JSO should be driving a wedge between the transportation industry and the oil industry. Fuel stations are probably the most obvious: take action against any fuel station that doesn't offer EV charging. (Later, you can target "gas" stations that refuse to abandon there legacy pumps).
Car dealerships: target any dealer that doesn't have EVs front and center on their lots.
Muffler shops: drive them completely out of business; they shouldn't exist at all.
Some states have emission testing requirements that affect only the drivers of ICE vehicles. Disrupting the operation of testing centers prevents ICE vehicle owners from being able to register their vehicles.
The blockade power stations and airfield quite often.
But those ones barely make news, let alone front page news.
Also major motorways outside a large city is much more like marching your protestors down main street in Birmingham, US or marching on a capital city, getting those city centre shut down for Blacks and Whites alike than sitting in a Blacks only eatery.
Then they are wasting their time and shouldn't be doing that either.
Oh, I thought targeted at oil industry specifically was what you were asking for.
They also spent 3 days disrupting one of the largest petrol company sites in the UK a few years back. Very little media coverage, no care from the general public, no result.
The big march on Washington style disruptions at least gets something. Even if you complain.
It gets harsher sentences on jaywalking. It alienates the general public from their cause. The general reaction to obstructing traffic is for the general public to overtly support police brutality.
They would be better off with better tactics against more appropriate targets.
MLK's protests weren't "non-violent". They worked specifically because there was violence: Violence committed against the protesters. They were martyred by the same racists who created the problems.
JSO tactics aren't going to work, because the protesters aren't being martyred by the oil industry. It's the general public that has a problem with their tactics. By and large, the general public has demonstrated considerable restraint by using only that force necessary to get around their various obstructions. They aren't being martyred.
Criticism of these protesters is not based on their cause, but solely on their protest. Contrast with these protesters: They are being attacked not because they are in the streets, but because of who they are. They are being martyred.
They are by the law courts with sentences like these.
I chose that cartoon to show how a large portion of Americans saw MLK and the less innsurrectionist Civil Rights arm.
I think the key is who it is disruptive to. Blocking traffic just pisses off the average person. The decision makers don't care about the average person. You gotta disrupt the decision makers. But you also have to be prepared for them to fight back hard.
The average person needs to start caring too. Too many zombies out there.
Sounds great, but you might as well shout at the rain. It isn't going to happen.
This sort of defeatist take is not helping anyone either.
We need more Luigis.
our society is rapidly producing them, it seems like there's an intent to make angrier, disaffected people even.
And these disruptions can be more than just an inconvenience. People can lose their jobs for being late. They can miss medical appointments and procedures.
A non-disruptive protest is masturbation.
A protest is disruption.
That's why protests in designated protest zones out of the eyelines and more importantly away from the profit operations of those being protested are an intentional and effective method of completely neutering protest.
We have protest in the US. It just doesn't mean anything anymore.
People hate protests even though they absolutely work because those people are for the status quo. I truly believe centrists are not actually on a line in between "right" and "left," but rather their own node so we all make a triangle. Much of what centrists believe are not anything like what the rest of us believe, but they are cowards who DESPERATELY want to be seen as the norm, as one of us by everyone (which is why they try to claim a "center" position, while the fascists and anti-fascists both recognize there is no middle ground between the two).
Centrism therefore should not be looked at as a mix of right and left, but as a mix of mainly centrist goals and thoughts. Teasing out centrism from the left will help us progress.
https://news.gallup.com/vault/246167/protests-seen-harming-civil-rights-movement-60s.aspx