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You don’t work at ICE and not be a racist authoritarian.
Yeah well. You're probably right. I mean they're basically speical cops.
That's overly reductive. There are people working at ICE because they see how racist and authoritarian it is and they want to be part of changing that system.
I'll happily admit that ICE is pretty fucking attractive to racist authoritatians but leaning too far into generalizations will give you a very black and white view of the world that doesn't reflect reality.
There are also people that work for the police because they want to positively change their community. There's a reason that ACAB is still true, despite that fact.
AACAB
Are you the same person as the poem_for_your_sprog user on reddit? If so I'm glad to see you switched to Lemmy.
I don't think the OG ever posted a non-poem, from my memory. Maybe they're just here for the community, but I doubt it's the original.
Do you see a poem in that post? They're a username thief clearly.
If so, really cool
Nope. ICE it's a byproduct of 9/11, and is racism and xenophobia wrapped in a burning flag of patriotism.
F U C K
ICE
It absolutely was created out of pure racism and xenophobia but you're wrong if you think people haven't joined it to try and make it better.
I also agree it'd be wonderful if ICE simply didn't exist. It's mandate for existence is rotten to the core.
That still doesn't mean it is entirely composed of people who want to perpetuate that harm. The view you're supporting is the same one that discourages people from getting into politics because politicians are all useless. There's a system and it does harm - some people join the system to try and reduce the harm it does.
The vanishingly small number who join for non-malicious reasons and either converted into racist bullies, or are driven out, just like honest cops in a department that's corrupt or racist.
Joining the Nazi party to change it from within still involves joining the Nazi party.
You bring up an interesting point. So do you think Schindler was wrong to act how he did?
That’s a fair point, but you could also consider his factory still contributed to the war effort.
It absolutely did. Schindler contributed to the deaths of a vague many while saving some specific few.
If he had shuttered (and potentially sabotaged) his factory would more people have been saved or would he simply be replaced by a more cruel person who killed all those vague many and the some specific few.
It's hard to know - and it's why I take umbridge with viewing things through such a stark black and white lens. I legitimately don't know the answer - either in that case or with ICE. But I know, simply due to the scale of people, that some people are genuinely trying to reduce the harm of ICE from within.
One thing to bear in mind is that Schindler is generally hailed for his actions - I don't know if they were correct and optimal... but a lot of people do think they were praiseworthy.
I'm married to someone who was on a green card for a long time. Believe me when I say that in over 90% of our encounters with ICE, we were treated with arrogance and hostility. And she's a hardworking professional who toes the line and complies with every rule, and her case couldn't have been simple: spouse of a native-born American. It didn't matter to those swine. They were there because they know they could bully people who couldn't answer back.
"Guys, some people just joined the Nazis because they wanted them to be less racist! You can't just say all Nazis are racist!"