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That doesn't seem reliable. For one, we know information about the movie before it comes out. This means you can make preliminary judgements about the movie. They may be proven wrong later, but they are not baseless. And I don't trust most people on the internet to judge a stranger's character accurately enough to determine their motives behind a movie review.
This is what is known as "judging a book by its cover." It used to be that people were warned against it.
I would bet you think movie trailers aren't trustworthy. You should if you don't.
Movie trailers reveal far more than a book cover does.
Anyways, it's not like this issue goes away after the movie comes out. People still have opinions and other people still judge if they're based on anti-woke sentiment or not.
Yes, including scenes that aren't even in the movie. All the time.
https://www.gamesradar.com/30-trailer-scenes-not-in-the-finished-films/
Ok sure. To repeat, though:
Once the movie comes out, it's a different issue, actually.
Because no one knows how "woke" a movie is based on a brief summary, let alone "we're making a movie starring a woman as a superhero."
How is that relevant to evaluating someone's criticisms of the movie?
It's relevant, again, to evaluating someone criticizing a movie they have not seen because it hasn't been made yet.
I am not sure why you are not getting this simple concept
How can it be both not made yet and have come out already?
This coming from the person who doesn't know that "performance" can mean "profit" and insists on misinterpreting it as the actor-related meaning elsewhere in the thread even after being corrected twice lmao
Okay, now I am super confused.
You: "Anyways, it’s not like this issue goes away after the movie comes out. People still have opinions and other people still judge if they’re based on anti-woke sentiment or not."
Me: "Once the movie comes out, it’s a different issue, actually."
You: "How can it be both not made yet and have come out already?"
And the answer is that it can't, but this all started when I brought up the fact that a small number of very vocal people started badmouthing the Captain Marvel movie before it had been made and people just accepted it, which is why it was poison before there was even a trailer.
Now, we can move on to the rest of your post:
First of all, do I not know or or am I insisting on misinterpreting it? Make up your mind.
Secondly, I was corrected by you, who wasn't the one who said it. Did they elect you to speak on their behalf?
Edit: Now they cleared it up. And without being a dick about it. Maybe try learning from them.
I've said all I need to about the movie thing; if you have any relevant rebuttals I'd be glad to hear them, but I haven't seen any.
It could be both! Who am I to know?
Didn't need to, I correctly identified the only coherent reading of their argument.
I was pretty civil until you said:
The reason I was confused is because you didn't seem to be answering my points, and I was expecting you to.
Likewise, and yet I did not accuse you of intentionally misinterpreting anything, and I certainly wouldn't claim someone was "corrected twice" with my interpretation of what someone else said after admitting I only hoped that was what they meant.
Because, you know, those are dickish things to say, whereas me saying I wasn't sure why you weren't getting such a simple concept was because I wasn't sure why you weren't getting such a simple concept. Should I have lied and said I was sure sort of like how you said I was corrected twice?
Ironically, this was kind of a lie too. I was being nice; I was very sure what they meant (and explained in great detail why my interpretation was the only one that made sense) but I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt until they clarified it since I didn't feel like drilling that point any more than I already had. There was no hoping or guessing or lying about knowing; I knew.
Edit: It occurs to me that you may not have seen this part of the thread, where they confirm my interpretation, before you made your comment replying to them elsewhere: https://lemmy.world/comment/14530165
If you didn't mean your comment as an insult, then I apologize for getting hostile. What was the simple concept you were trying to explain to me?
The same one I've been saying the entire time- that a small vocal group can bring down a movie's performance before it is ever even made by announcing that it's woke and that you can tell very little about a movie's quality if a movie has yet to be made even if it still later turns out to be a bad movie.
In fact, even movies that people expect to be terrible sometimes aren't bad. Uwe Boll made a whole lot of god-awful movies and he also made Rampage, which was pretty good.
It didn't matter in the end whether Captaim Marvel was good or bad- I will note that I have looked it up now and both user opinions and professional reviews I am looking up seem to agree in general that it was good and its sequel much less so from everywhere from the IMDB to Rotten Tomatoes- because it was doomed before a screenplay was written.
I should also point out that you initially said this:
And yet the latter did far worse at the box office than the former. It was a complete disaster.
Oh. Yeah I agree that people can tank box office performance by calling a movie woke. My point was that not all criticisms of such a movie are based on its wokeness. I thought that was clearer than I may have made it. Sorry for being a dick about it.
It surprises me that professional reviews rank them in that order.