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What’s funny is that a new GPU alone will set ya back that amount already. I’m hopefully picking up the 5080 at launch for 1k
why tho
Bethesda games aren't gonna run themselves
Bethesda games aren't gonna run ~~themselves~~
Did Starfield become a good game?
Personally, I didn't like it. I think a lot of it comes down to two things: Do you care about the writing and the world they've built? If so, how critical of it are you (or alternatively, have you seen the sci-fi tropes done well).
Starfield has some really bad world building. In particular, it doesn't understand why we use sci-fi, and why it's tropes are interesting. it's to create an anologue of our world and to break it down, criticize, and point out it's flaws and ways to fix them.
Starfield is the least critical writing I've ever seen I think. The Earth is destroyed, and instead of using this to discuss us destroying the planet right now, it's just some technobable that has no parallels. Also, when fleeing Earth, they don't try to solve issues. They just set up new corporations doing the exact same stuff in other places. When the game presents a problem where taking down a CEO would be one of the best possible outcomes, it isn't an option. Literally everything you do in the game is maintaining the status-quo of the modern world, despite it being the source of so many issues in the game. You can't change anything and no one wants to either.
Starfield doesn't understand sci-fi. Fallout does a better job as a sci-fi series than Starfield does. If you're still interested, the gameplay is also slow and boring and there's almost no interesting stories or characters. Continue if you want, but I regret spending time on it for the price of $0, and I generally love Bethesda games and the sci-fi genre (although, as mentioned above, I think this is part of why I don't like it).
That sounds pretty realistic to me. I'm not sure if it's intentional, but this counts as a commentary on our social situation. Probably doesn't make for a compelling game, though.
If it were commentary, they'd talk about it. It just is, and it can't change. They just copied what they know without considering why.
I enjoyed it.
The criticisms are valid, but I still think it was a fun time.
Depends if you like starfield
Bethesda games need 5080?
For the pixel art.
Not OP but my GPU is a decade old, would be nice to have the latest for once.
You might be better off with a 4000 series, unless you got a new motherboard that won't be bottlenecked much by the pcie version jump.
Unless you're getting a 5090 the pcie bottleneck should be negligible compared to your CPU or other things.
On pcie 3 the 4090 gets about a 5% performance penalty. I'd assume the 5080 is about the same performance as the 4090 so the hit should be similar. Unless you're like me with a 5800x3d on a garbage B450 motherboard your CPU is probably going to be holding you back so much more than the pcie version.
The only caveat to that is that the card must be using x16 bus speed for the negligible impact, which only the high-end cards reliably do. A bunch of the 70 series and under cards are actually x8 bus speed, and then pcie 4 actually matters. ~20% vs 5% performance loss for 8x bus cards over pcie 3.
My guess is that if a 4090 is bottlenecked 5% on pcie 3.0 (although I think it's closer to 10%). Also if pcie 4.0 is double the speed as 3.0, and pcie 5.0 is double 4.0. Then the bottleneck will be closer to 10% if running a 5080 on pcie 3.0.
Why?? Just get something a few years old, it'll do the same thing anyway
Used graphics card prices aren't that much better than new.
The 4090 still has a VRAM advantage over the 5080 so it's probably going to continue to hold it's value pretty well. Especially since there's a massive voice in pricing between the $1k 5080 and the $2k 5090.
Unless the 24gb ARC GPU comes out (or AI crashes) I see the 4090 just not depreciating a substantial amount. And that's the only option that would compare to the 5080 since AMD isn't even trying to make high end.
It’s wild how many comments I got saying buy used when if you check HWS it’s full of 4080s clearing $900-$1000 used
I was just going to say my new PC was $5000 and $1,200 of that was the GPU.
Just to game though?
I don't see how a gaming only pc has $3800 of non-gpu costs. There has to be a threadripper equivalent cpu and/or a shit ton of storage/ram on there.
Motherboards aren't cheap, nor is the top of the line CPUs. The 7950x3D is still $600 on amazon. X670e boards start at like $200 and go up over $500 easily. If you just say fuck it and buy the best you can easily hit that number, especially if you throw in some high end storage drives.
I'm looking to replace my CPU, mobo and ram and I'm looking at at least $1200 for that.
Wait for sales and you can spend half that. If you're willing to settle for anything less than top of the line, you can go even lower. I picked up a 7900X3D under $450 CAD this summer. My Motherboard was under $200 CAD for an ITX board, and I got 32GB of 6000mHz RAM for $125 CAD.
The 7900x3d isn't that great of a gaming CPU, you'd be better off with the single CCD 7800x3d.
But if you're going for high end why wouldn't you go for the 9800x3d/9950x3d? The only reason I picked the 7000 series was the lack of availability with the 9000 series x3d at the moment. And if you're getting 90000 series x870e offers a lot of features as standard over x670e.
If it's just for gaming, you really don't need the absolute top of the line in terms of CPU. I can't think of a game I've ever played that maxes out my CPU on all cores.
Unless you're also using it for CPU-specific and intensive work outside of gaming, you won't gain much from spending more money.
CPU bottlenecks start happening long before task manager reads 100% CPU usage. Any time a pipeline flush happens and your CPU is sitting there waiting for data to make its way through you're going to feel it.
Also if you're spending 5000 why wouldn't you get the best?
Oh I totally see how you CAN do it. I've done it. A lot. Just nowadays i don't see why you would need to. Maybe a true 4k multi monitor setup but a 7800xt is cheap and great for 1440p and you can build a 1500 dollar rig (minus the monitor) and be pretty damn ok.
I tend to spend my money on homelab shit so my priorities have changed these pay few decades lol
My desktop is literally only used for gaming (I have a separate PC for everything else) and I spent probably 3-4k on it.
Buy a lot of high end NVMe storage and I could easily see it costing 5k.
I feel like kinda the main reasons to pick up a latest gen gpu nowadays are energy efficiency and a warranty (although 5000 series doesn't look all that energy efficient, we'll see i guess)
otherwise you can definitely get something better on ebay for cheaper
but if you live somewhere where energy is expensive, the difference might be significant. 500w is kinda a lot lol, any difference in performance/watt will add up
prices are going to drop when the new gpus come out and people need to get rid of their old ones, but currently with a little bit of looking i could find a 'buy it now' 7900 xt for $640, a 3090 for $775, and a 3090 ti for $850
honestly these aren't great deals you could probably find better ones