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We don’t learn. Trump is a lolcow. He generates outrage over absurdity to gain media leverage. This recent media cycle is not an accident and I am disappointed that we didn’t learn our lesson the first decade of this.

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[–] partial_accumen 24 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (24 children)

I think we did learn our lesson though. All of those things not being talked about in headlines (concentration camps, education defunding, etc) are what the majority of American voters want. Its not that Americans don't know President Musk (and vice president trump) are putting those forward, its that they agree with those horrible positions.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (11 children)

I get what you’re saying so no hate but…

Its not that Americans don’t know

Except, no. In most cases Americans don’t know. See: every single post in c/leopardsatemyface. Americans near universally prefer policies further to the left than the candidates they elect. Example.

The entire Republican platform is based on lying and then distracting voters.

  • Trump caters to racist America by promising to deport migrants, but doesn’t say how that is done (detention camps and similar which are very unpopular).
  • Republicans cater to transphobes by promising to ban trans women from sports, but doesn’t say how this is done (penis inspection day which is very unpopular).
  • And other examples.

The majority of voters don’t want detention camps or harrasment of trans children. The majority of voters wanted Trump.

It’s totally fair that you didn’t know this, but I hope it can be vindicating now that you do. The gap between public preferences and actual political outcomes is massive, and is kept that way precisely by the strategic ambiguity, distraction, and misinformation that I made this post to illustrate. Does this perspective make sense?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

And we spent 8 years trying to educate people. Anyone at this point who is pro trump literally cannot be convinced to vote for their own self interests until they are harmed.

[–] uberfreeza 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not just "until they are harmed" but "until they are directly harmed." I'm convinced at this point that unless Trump himself personally comes to their homes and executes them, they'd blame prices, immigration, illness, etc. on something else.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

i think you’re on the right track but all these descriptions are a bit oversimplified

they are a tiny minority, but the case of Dearborn-Palestinian families shows how someone who is being directly harmed can even be encouraged to vote against their self interest. as someone else said in this post, Americans are voting for emotion, not candidates or even policies really.

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