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Discussion of climate, how it is changing, activism around that, the politics, and the energy systems change we need in order to stabilize things.

As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] Allonzee 18 points 5 days ago (5 children)

I find the people with hope genuinely confusing at this point.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Because the alternative is to become a pessimistic doomer and tune out pretending it's all hopeless?

[–] Allonzee -1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I'm not tuning out. Occasionally I wish I could, but that doesn't align with my core values. Doomers aren't the ones that tune out, people that primarily consume "reality" TV, aren't "political, teehee," couldn't point to the middle east on a map with a gun to their head, and are habitually bubbly and optimistic about any topic despite living in this world are the ones tuned out living in blissful willful ignorance.

You have to be paying attention to have hope beaten out of you in the first place. You may not like doomers, but they are burdened with knowledge, aka well informed. That's why they bother the ignorant, they bum them out.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

people that primarily consume “reality” TV, aren’t “political, teehee,” couldn’t point to the middle east on a map with a gun to their head, and are habitually bubbly and optimistic about any topic despite living in this world are the ones tuned out living in blissful willful ignorance.

They're not hopeful about climate change, they're ignorant of it. That's not the same thing.

Doomers aren' t burdened with knowledge, doomers are a burden on everyone else with knowledge who knows that this could be fixed if people acted.

There is literally zero benefit to climate doomerism.

[–] Allonzee -2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

If more than just Greta starts doing the right thing and humanity starts fighting for change in tangible ways, ways that WOULD HAVE TO LEAD TO DIMINISHED HUMAN QUALITY OF LIFE by necessity to to have any decent future for humans, I will join them in destroying the industrial world so we may find equilibrium with nature again. I'm more than willing to put myself into the necessary billions must starve and our species must return to nature lottery if you are.

Until then, have fun following the promise of the capitalist's latest solution to themselves. What is It this week? ~~Clean coal hydrogen corn based ethynol plant a tree offsets climate pledges AI~~ oh yeah planetary scale carbon scrubbers. They'll totes work, I mean just look at how much the capitalist's will profit from them. Expensive=good=hope. We'll start to see results sometime... after the world government's checks have cleared of course. Just gotta hope!

I do believe in planetary scale carbon scrubbers! I do! I do!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

"I would do something, but instead I'll do nothing and complain"

Okay, great contribution.

[–] Allonzee -2 points 5 days ago

Yeah, we really did a lot for the climate today with this discourse.

[–] lurklurk 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Oh the earth will recover eventually! It's even possible humanity survives in some form!

[–] Allonzee 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Oh yeah Earth will be fine. It's survived worse than us and will be here long after we've died, almost certainly by our own hands. We aren't even the first mass extinction event to come from a mistake from within instead of an external force like a meteor but instead of runaway, macro-metastatic evolution. There was a blight of early trees in the carboniferous period that stored too much carbon leading to an ice age because the means of their efficient decomposition had not yet evolved, causing the opposite of what we're doing, leading to an ice age.

Life on Earth suffered, many species went extinct, as some do constantly even in good times, but Earth always recovers. We sadly fashion ourselves masters of this word rather than children and subjects, but we couldn't sterilize this planet if we wanted to. There's life in acid pools, in crevices we can't find, in depths we can't reach. Until the Sun's output changes enough in a couple billion years, life will most likely find a way here.

I take comfort, just as George Carlin did, in knowing that we will just be an evolutionary cul-de-sac, quickly forgotten by the living Earth we tried to dominate and rape as our private property.

The funniest bit to me is that for all the idiotic religions people kill one another over, demanding theirs has the largest penis and other believers of gods with smaller penises must convert or die, it was a rare thing indeed for humans to actually respect their actual God, their actual creator, the real one they can and do see every single day, the one we are, in objective fact, made of. Oh the dark irony of desperately seeking approval from a fictional "sky daddy" creator that we often anthropomorphize out of vanity to look and act and think like us, while raping, plundering, polluting, and defacing our true God as thoughtlessly as breathing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

Crabs will dominate the Solar System after any trace from our "developed society" is long gone.

Maybe they will have an religion of crab gods, but if gods go through evolution too, they are probably actually crabs.

Crabs rule!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

To lose hope for a better tomorrow is to roll over and accept the worst

I'll fight to my dying breath for a better tomorrow because I have hope in achieving that goal

Even if that better tomorrow is only slightly better than no change or if that better tomorrow is making sure that those I care about aren't completely up a creek if shit goes sideways

Anything is better than rolling over and letting the world go to shit like a loaded up semi with no brakes down a mountain

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I don't have any hope, but I'm sure as hell not going to roll over and take it.

[–] Allonzee 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Same reason I vote for least cruel of two cruel options.

[–] ameancow 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Hope us a useless feeling. So is despair. Neither will do anything.

You only get one life, you happen to be fucking born in a time when everything is about to go to shit. Well too bad, you still get to live and make the best of it. I don't understand people who are so hung up on things they can't control. If earth was going to get cooked by a supernova in 40 years, I would still live a normal, healthy life and the only thing that would be different is when I die, everyone else does too. Changes nothing.

[–] Allonzee -2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

I value knowledge and wisdom as its own end, knowing it comes at the expense of contentment/comfort.

We all get to choose what we value most, and usually it comes at something else's expense. I would rather stare into the void so long as the void is something true then be deluded, blissfully ignorant and happy when that happiness requires willful ignorance, another way of saying choosing not to know what is available to know.

I think a lot of the "don't think about it" willful ignorance is a big reason us sapient beings inflict such cruelty on one another and sentient creatures that feel real pain so easily. Empathy, knowing everyone else has an inner world and feels as deeply as you do, is something you have to allow yourself to know and feel that most don't care about so long as they "get theirs."

What you're describing is exactly why we will go extinct, legions of people choosing to take what they can without the detriment of really internalizing who will be hurt and how deeply by it. Those best at that skill, sociopaths, run this world and are the primary reason our species' time is ending so they can "win," feel accomplished, and ultimately scurry into their little luxury bunker tombs to sip expensive bourbon and reminisce about how high their ego scores got and how awesome it was while luxuriating several feet of concrete under the fruits of their own fine work until their heart gives out or one of their very expensive air/water/waste/hydroponic systems fail.

Humanity should have been humanity's business, not finding "rational self-interest" bliss. But we made our choice and our bed. 🤷

[–] ameancow 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

If you can't understand that there is a very, very wide difference between choosing to live in and appreciate the life you have, and self-centered apathy, then maybe you should revisit your own thoughts on wisdom.

In fact I would argue it's the people without nuance who will doom our species, the idea that if you're not one thing, you must be the other, black-and-white thinking rapidly becomes reactionary thinking which rapidly becomes superstition, fear and hate and an embrace of authoritarian reactionary leadership.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago

I value knowledge and wisdom as its own end, knowing it comes at the expense of contentment/comfort.

Wisdom is knowing how to use knowledge to make the world a better place. It seems like you value knowledge and look down on wisdom.