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A major problem with abortion on condition of rape is that it motivates false accusations.
It is an evil law supported by people who don't care about male victims.
Do you have any evidence for that claim?
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Yeah, it seems to be quite the opposite if I'm reading this correctly. The only ones hurt by the exceptions are the victims themselves, as always.
I would use a penname if it were my job to write about that kind of stuff...
Lamo that's the real name
That’s pretty much what I expected.
Why not both?
People who have been raped -- could be too intimidated, but that doesn't speak for those who haven't.
I know that the "false accusation" crowd is vastly overexaggerated, but if you HAD to report a rape to get access to an abortion when you needed one, it could actually cause motivation for it, too.
And then that circles back, people assuming that when you're reporting a rape it might be a false accusation because you want an abortion.
The only issue I have with that is how this accuses victims without much evidence and distracts from the major harm of these policies. But besides that, yeah, it creates that incentive even if the victims tend not to take advantage and erodes the credibility of victims. It's so messed up.
Have some Lemmy Gold fellow egalitarian.
Who are they calling ghouls with thoughts like that
What percentage of cases would this even apply to?
Weird and fucking disturbing that you manage to make men out to be the victims here.
The vast majority of rape accusations are, in fact truthful. Like, fucking overwhelmingly so. But, who cares about the 'females' right?
Honestly, this is the kinda statement I'd expect from a rapist, simply due to the utterly vile lack of empathy for women.
And besides, who is gonna try make an accusation of rape, even when that is literally what happened, when there is no damn chance of a conviction in time to get the abortion.
You're fucking weird
Edit: I'm just gonna go ahead and say it: I don't believe this has ever, or will ever happen. Absolutely no man is getting accused of rape just so the women can get an abortion. Fucking zero. None.
And just how many abortions have been approved so far due to rape? I bet that's also zero.
Disgusting. Just fucking completely disgusting. There's are NO MALE VICTIMS TO ANTI ABORTION LAWS. Yeesh
Keep your incel shit to yourself. Fuck
Their point was that incentivising rape allegations as a means to permit an abortion will lead to a non-zero number of instances where false allegations will occur. This is correct. Men weren't being victimized, and comparing this guy with a rapist is immature and downright disrespectful to victims of rape.
If you are ok with a few more instances of men being falsely accused of rape for the greater good of women, then your thinking is analogous to the person in the original post who was ok with 1 person being raped to stop the killing of thousands of unborn babies.
No. That is a bizarre assumption. No, an allegation is not sufficient for any of these backwards evil laws. And a conviction will never happen in time.
So, bullshit. This will not increase the number of false accusations, which, again, is a fucking tiny percentage.
Women are dying, in horrible agony. Loves are being ruined. And no, even if there was an increase in false accusations, which no there won't be, but if there were?? I couldn't care less.
The pathetic and disgusting desire to make this about men is inexcusable. Fuck that bullshit. And, btw, that asshole I replied to sounds like a psychotic fucking abuser. It's true. So blow me if you don't like it, I don't fucking care.
The massive fucking amount of fear, pain, and death inflicted on women by this shit. If your honestly concerned about a complete fucking false danger to men? Go play a rousing game of hide and go fuck yourself.
You really invalidate your position when you state that you wouldn't even care if more false accusations increase. You are making this a men vs. women issue which is it absolutely not. This tribalism is not only unproductive it's destructive. I know plenty of informed women who are against abortion and plenty of informed men who favor it.
You have an awful lot of faith in humanity if you think any law won't get weaponized for evil when possible. But I guess a man wrongfully going to jail for 10-20 years for rape isn't evil in your eyes, or you have gaslight yourself into believing that men are never victims.
False accusations are, statistically speaking, completely insignificant. You clearly have no idea how stupidly small the percentage is.
Even so, a salary accusation just does compare to the damage caused to the women and children involved. So why the fuck would I care about men put in a situation where they might have to flee to another state or some shit.
Tribalism? What the fuck are you even on about?! I care about the increase in human suffering. Fuck your tribalism bullshit, I didn't give a shit about the talking heads and echo chambers.
And these laws will be weaponized. And the suffering, pain, and death inflicted on the women and children... Honestly, your entire argument fucking disgusts me to the very core.
The bigotry in your arguments is astounding. Not to mention the hypothetical harm your defending is just utterly asinine. Even if there's an increase, false accusations still won't be statistically significant on any level. But, oh my god, think of the poor....manly men??? Fuck that entire idea is stupid
You have no basis for your claim of false rape accusations being statistically insignificant. Only 2-5% of rape cases result in a conviction, which is the only provable statistic that is relevant, which suggests that 95%+ of rape accusations are false (obviously the legal system isn't 100% just, my point is you have no evidence or basis for your claim).
"I care about the increase in human suffering". Like I said in my first reply, this is the same argument used in the original post, which everyone in this thread is shitting on. Take a good long look at your morals because they seem to be very extreme and unstable.
The answer is no conditions for abortion. Not purely inconsiderate supremacist conditions as a compromise with those who's vision of natalism is to punish every pregnancy, instead of making families an affordable option to pursue happiness. Conditional permissions and social aid, is a compromise among fascists.
About half of rape allegations reported to police are already false, defined as complainant saying there was no rape after proper police investigation/interrogation. Kanin and others replicated the studies.
Your over the top feminist supremacist hasbara that "only rapist incels can care about the much more violent victimization of men through police detention" should be self censored for obvious evil. Your BS not only directly encourages prosecuting the very high level of false claims made for vengence, attention, or responsibility avoidance, you foster a new policy category of a reward motivation.
It seems like this number varies from 1% to 70% depending on what measurements you take. Rape is nearly impossible to prove or disprove, as the action usually happens in private and even if there's DNA evidence, you can just say it was consensual, so I'm not sure how you can get to the matter that any percent are true or false with any certainty.
Maybe the complainant said there was no rape after being intimidated, or deciding that the legal battle isn't worth it?