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This has already been posted and apparently is very controversial here.
https://lemmy.world/post/23556453
TL;DR: The "bit" in the headline is actually a "shannon".
Someone who can't tell from the headline what kind of "Bit" is meant is probably not going to be helped by that comment.
All of the AI craze is predicated on "all it takes is simulating all the neurons".
So when we got close to that, people dropped billions into AI and keep insisting it's around the corner
The problem is we don't know what consciousness is yet, so how the fuck are we gonna re-create?
The smartest living physicist has spent 40 years insisting there's a quantum compenont, but up until 5 months ago we didn't see anyway for a quantum process to be stable in a human brain.
We know now microtubules can create a larger tube that functions as a fiber optic cable and allow quantum superposition to be sustained much longer than ever thought.
We probably have century at least before real AI.
There's a reason Elmo's "robot" was just a Mechanical Turk
I don't see any requirement for a quantum theory element for consciousness to work. I also don't agree that we don't know what it is.
If the brain has such elements, you must remember that it's purely by chance, and there may very well be other ways to have similar functionality.
We do have the advantage when trying to create a strong AI, that we are not nearly as energy or space restricted as nature, when trying to create it.
It can weigh a ton and take a megawatt to run, and we will still call it a success.
The idea that the uncertainty principle is a requirement for free will is nonsense. But so is most of the debate about free will, because most can't agree on how to define it.
There is no id or whatever the fuck weird concepts religious philosophers use, which generally just means they think it can't exist without a god. And they think we have consciousness separate from the brain somehow? Because they are superstitious idiots, who think argument from ignorance counts.
Spoiler, there is no soul, and there are no gods either. Except the ones created by man.
Yet we have both consciousness and free will.
Which is it?
What?
Consciousness and free will is not the same thing.
Oh, I'm not saying that we think at 10bits per second. I think it's bung. And there's at least one comment on that post that goes into depth about why the reasoning is flawed. I was just pointing out that it's already been posted once and there's a very .... Controversial thread of replies with a lot of back and forth discussions.